Banning media which contain immoral/terrify/voilent/sexual element?

[Ouroboros]

That made me chuckle, but it would likely be going a bit too far.

Naaah. Too far!? Not even. I think we should ban periods in the English language as well, and capitalized letters, and ... oops, sorry, should have ended it with *beep*beep*beep*

 

[YmirGF]

Naaah. Too far!? Not even. I think we should ban periods in the English language as well, and capitalized letters, and ... oops, sorry, should have ended it with *beep*beep*beep*

Sorry, I'm not in a real humorous mood but your post did make me smile. Thanks for that.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you mean banning any book and such is a singularly stupid thing to do and is stupid and counterproductive? Why is that?

Let's see...

Like

Mien Kampf ?

Hitler always comes up eventually in disscusions like this. Might as well get it out of the way.

 

[Ouroboros]

Let's see...
Like
Mien Kampf ?

I think it was banned for a while, wasn't it?

Hitler always comes up eventually in disscusions like this. Might as well get it out of the way.

It's the pre-emptive godwin's law.

 

[morphesium]

Recently hear some people talking about banning movies, tv show/drama, games and music which contain immoral/terrify/voilent/sexual element. (books should also include in that category)
Do you agree that they should be ban?
On what criteria qualify to ban it? How much content of immoral/terrify/voilent/sexual qualify to ban it?

There're religion's holy book which also contain many immoral/terrify/voilent/sexual element, like murder, raping, slavery, genocide, wipe out everyone on the earth except a few people, threatening of eternity burning, stoning rebellious children, killing babies, people who work on sunday should be put to death.
Should we also ban the holy book who have many elements as describe above?

This is quite a delicate issue; If things are just the beginning where there are only a few people involved in it , banning might work better. However, banning something that is present in a massive scale could be problematic. The best way could be taking the media into control and to mass educate the people indirectly (especially using psychological methods) about the ill effects and irrationality of such things.

I do believe that we should ban religious books. But since this can't be possible in a democracy, the best way is to make use of laws (step by step process) and media to make people themselves to ask questions about the irrationality of their religions, their stupidity of their beliefs. Compulsory, systematic and targeted messages through all social media apps should help us in this regard.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

If something is genuinely harmful to society then yes, it should be banned.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Recently hear some people talking about banning movies, tv show/drama, games and music which contain immoral/terrify/voilent/sexual element. (books should also include in that category)
Do you agree that they should be ban?

Never. Science has never proven such things cause bad behaviors out in the real world. While children should be watching such things, adults should be able to choose what they will or won't indulge in. As an artist, I should be able to produce whatever I feel is appropriate for the medium to best convey the ideas, themes, motifs, or what seems most appropriate.

There're religion's holy book which also contain many immoral/terrify/voilent/sexual element, like murder, raping, slavery, genocide, wipe out everyone on the earth except a few people, threatening of eternity burning, stoning rebellious children, killing babies, people who work on sunday should be put to death.
Should we also ban the holy book which have many elements as describe above?

Nope. Marginalizing people and sending them underground is a good way to create crime. And banning things has never worked before. Education is clearly the better option, to make the absurdity of such teachings seem apparent.

 

[SomeRandom]

If something is genuinely harmful to society then yes, it should be banned.

And therein lies the real question. Is such media really harmful to society?
Many studies have been conducted and none can reasonably prove that they are.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This is quite a delicate issue; If things are just the beginning where there are only a few people involved in it , banning might work better. However, banning something that is present in a massive scale could be problematic. The best way could be taking the media into control and to mass educate the people indirectly (especially using psychological methods) about the ill effects and irrationality of such things.

I do believe that we should ban religious books. But since this can't be possible in a democracy, the best way is to make use of laws (step by step process) and media to make people themselves to ask questions about the irrationality of their religions, their stupidity of their beliefs. Compulsory, systematic and targeted messages through all social media apps should help us in this regard.

*hands you a plane ticket to North Korea*

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I do believe that we should ban religious books. But since this can't be possible in a democracy, the best way is to make use of laws (step by step process) and media to make people themselves to ask questions about the irrationality of their religions, their stupidity of their beliefs. Compulsory, systematic and targeted messages through all social media apps should help us in this regard.

And I'd rather we not. There is too much history, cultural knowledge, and just too many other things that cannot be understood without knowledge of various religious books. Paradise Lost, a fine and wonderful poem, is pretty much impossible to get unless you've read the Bible. A hefty chunk of heavy metal lyrics require understanding in the ancient Egyptian, Greek, Mesopotamian, and other religions in order to understand them. And many religious texts are entirely benign. Are going to ban the Kama Sutra and Book of the Dead just because they are religious books?

 

[SomeRandom]

This is quite a delicate issue; If things are just the beginning where there are only a few people involved in it , banning might work better. However, banning something that is present in a massive scale could be problematic. The best way could be taking the media into control and to mass educate the people indirectly (especially using psychological methods) about the ill effects and irrationality of such things.

I do believe that we should ban religious books. But since this can't be possible in a democracy, the best way is to make use of laws (step by step process) and media to make people themselves to ask questions about the irrationality of their religions, their stupidity of their beliefs. Compulsory, systematic and targeted messages through all social media apps should help us in this regard.

You want to control people's beliefs through the media? Like Big Brother? That is a very bad road to traverse.

 

[McBell]

If something is genuinely harmful to society then yes, it should be banned.

Who gets to decide what is and what is not "harmful" to society?

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

Who gets to decide what is and what is not "harmful" to society?

The people in power, professionals involved in the judicial system, local community groups who can petition their MPs/Councillors, community leaders from both religious and non-religious backgrounds. As is the case with most things really.

For example, if there is a book preaching a cult which leads to mass suicide, we don't need any of this freedom of speech bs, which doesn't exist anyway, we need the book to be banned and the writer to be locked up. Or assessed on a psychological basis.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

And therein lies the real question. Is such media really harmful to society?
Many studies have been conducted and none can reasonably prove that they are.

We know for a fact that some movies have led to copy cat killings or violence, we know for a fact that pornography corrupts human social and psychological well being and so on and so forth. I could quote decades of evidence but I'd rather you look it up yourself. Of course, this is not to say an action movie for example, say Die Hard, would automatically lead violence in people but it would certainly cause bigger problems in those who have mental health issues or depression. What it does do to everyone however, is desensitise all of us to real violence.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Let's see...

Like

Mien Kampf ?

Hitler always comes up eventually in disscusions like this. Might as well get it out of the way.

Mien Kampf is a fascinating read. Understanding the mentality and history of someone like Hitler is a great way to be able to anticipate and prepare for someone like him coming to power again.

 

[Riverwolf]

The people in power, professionals involved in the judicial system, local community groups who can petition their MPs/Councillors, community leaders from both religious and non-religious backgrounds. As is the case with most things really.

What gives them that authority?

For example, if there is a book preaching a cult which leads to mass suicide, we don't need any of this freedom of speech bs, which doesn't exist anyway, we need the book to be banned and the writer to be locked up. Or assessed on a psychological basis.

Jumping the gun.

The first order of business would be to determine whether or not the book is, itself, causing these troubles. That is to say, to use your example, is this book capable of causing a person with no history or symptoms of suicidal depression to suddenly attempt suicide?

So far, studies have shown that media alone doesn't have that kind of effect on people.

 

[Riverwolf]

We know for a fact that some movies have led to copy cat killings or violence, we know for a fact that pornography corrupts human social and psychological well being and so on and so forth.

Show your sources, because last I looked, none of these are facts.

I could quote decades of evidence but I'd rather you look it up yourself. Of course, this is not to say an action movie for example, say Die Hard, would automatically lead violence in people but it would certainly cause bigger problems in those who have mental health issues or depression.

The problem with such people is their mental health and depression. There's plenty of media out there that I can't expose myself to because of similar problems, but I'd NEVER wish for that media to be banned. Other people can, and should, enjoy it if they wish.

What it does do to everyone however, is desensitise all of us to real violence.

No, it really doesn't.

Because fake violence is not real violence. I can attest: I play lots of violent video games, but real-world violence still scares and disturbs me. Probably because I don't watch the news, so I'm rarely exposed to it, and never personally.

 

[Ouroboros]

We know for a fact that some movies have led to copy cat killings or violence, we know for a fact that pornography corrupts human social and psychological well being and so on and so forth.

Just like some religions also have led to mass murders and corruption of psychological well being of people.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

The people in power, professionals involved in the judicial system, local community groups who can petition their MPs/Councillors, community leaders from both religious and non-religious backgrounds. As is the case with most things really.

For example, if there is a book preaching a cult which leads to mass suicide, we don't need any of this freedom of speech bs, which doesn't exist anyway, we need the book to be banned and the writer to be locked up. Or assessed on a psychological basis.

Banning it simultaneously draws more attention and curiosity to it and drives it underground where it becomes far more dangerous. Keeping the population ignorant also makes them easier targets, since they don't know what they're getting into, and makes them less likely to report it when seeing it, because they don't know what to look for.
Banning religious texts don't work, especially not in the Information Age.

 

[Riverwolf]

Banning it simultaneously draws more attention and curiosity to it and drives it underground where it becomes far more dangerous.

Put another way, to quote Zero Punctuation: "Try banny game make me wanty game MORE!"