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Featured Authority of the apostles

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by actsfourthirty, Jun 12, 2021.

  1. actsfourthirty

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    Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors founded in the one true church by Jesus Christ!

    Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
    (col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) holy mother church replaced Israel Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
    Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
    Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
    Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

    Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
    Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

    Matt 16:17-19

    17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

    18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

    Lk 10:16
    He who hears you hears me...

    John 13:20
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

    Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, so send in you. (The apostles) posses the same power mission and authority as Christ!
    Peter, the apostles and their successors!

    Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18

    Moral authority:
    (Teaching)
    Necessity of being taught by Christ:
    Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

    Jurisdictional authority:
    (Governing / administering)
    Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

    Spiritual authority:
    (Life of Grace)
    Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments


    Must be taught by the holy church by the apostles! Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Acts 2:42

    What authority does Christ have?
    What power does Christ have?
    What mission / ministry does Christ have?

    Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

    We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Lk 10:16 Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17 Jn 16:13 acts 2:42

    Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

    Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

    31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

    Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

    The obedience of faith!

    Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name.

    Taught the one true faith revealed by Christ to His apostles! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

    We are not commanded to read and make doctrine for ourselves but obey those who God puts in authority to teach the Christian Faith!
     
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    Yes, the bible says that the claims in the bible are true. I don't find this very meaningful or persuasive. Any source could say the same, regardless of its content.

    In my experience, and from what I know of history, we should be very skeptical of any authority, precept, dogma, tenet, or dialectic that is forbidden from being questioned and simply must be accepted as true. This is because they have all shown to be false in the end.

    If you think about it, any true facts would never need to be protected against questioning or doubt, because any questioning would simply bear out their truth in the end. Only falsehoods need to be propped up and protected. Requiring a statement to be believed simply because its source is an unassailable "authority" is a logical fallacy; it has been shown to be an unreliable tool to determine what is actually true.

    I don't scripture has any inherent truth value or authority. It is simply historically and culturally significant to certain inheritors of that history and culture.
     
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    Jeremiah Ames Active Member

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    it’s possible that you put too much into your OP

    although what you wrote is correct, as far as I can see at first glance, there may still be something wrong

    have you formed a conclusion, from all you wrote, and if so, can you tell me what it is specifically?
     
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    what about prophecy?

    example matt 24 Jesus prophecy of the destruction of the temple

    what’s your faith btw
     
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    You certainly could not get that from the bible.
     
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    You focus on Peter ,yet the bible ( 13 epistles) focuses on Paul . After Acts there is little focus on Peter.
     
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    My belief stance is listed in the corner of my posts. I'm an atheist. I don't find Biblical prophecies persuasive since they are vague, subject to interpretation, and/or achievable by people simply deciding to fulfill the prophecy. According to the consensus of Biblical scholars, some of these prophecies were most likely written after the events they prophesied.

    To be interesting, a prophecy should be not subject to interpretation, be recorded before the event in question, be extremely specific, and answerable only by one unique and clear event. Such a prophecy being fulfilled would at least be a little evidence, although there would still be no way to show it wasn't due to coincidence, a conspiracy, evil wizards, etc.
     
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    Why should anyone believe the Bible again?
     
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    thanks for sharing

    I gave scripture verses for all my beliefs

    what more can I do?
     
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    thanks for sharing

    Matt 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
     
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    that’s fair enough

    can I ask you a question?

    mare you a hybrid
    Made up of two entities
    One physical
    And one spiritual?
     
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    yhank

    matt 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    John 11:25
    Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

    And not the Bible alone but the teaching of the apostles Matt 28:18-20 Lk 10:16 Jn 20:21-23 acts 2:42
     
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    Yes ,that's called 'proof texting ' .
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    That's largely because Paul and his writings and references came later whereas messages were being conveyed to the diaspora.

    Again, what we repeatedly see is a greater emphasis put on Peter's leadership that we see with Paul. Matter of fact, Paul meets Peter in Jerusalem and tries to encourage him to wave circumcision when Gentiles are interested in conversion, thus Paul well knew that it was Peter who was going to have to make that decision. Also, it was Peter's vision that led to not requiring those who convert to keep kosher.

    Both men had duties to perform, but it was to Peter that Jesus said "Feed my sheep, ...".
     
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    I’m sorry I don’t understand
    You don’t believe scripture?
     
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    I don't believe your statement with a single verse tacked on the end ,as if that's what it's saying.
    Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsɪˈdʒiːsɪs/) is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text.[1] It is often done to "prove" a pre-held point of concern, and to provide confirmation bias corresponding with the pre-held interpretation and any agendas supported by it.

    Eisegesis is best understood when contrasted with exegesis. Exegesis is drawing out text's meaning in accordance with the author's context and discoverable meaning. Eisegesis is when a reader imposes their interpretation of the text. Thus exegesis tends to be objective; and eisegesis, highly subjective.
     
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    heaven and earth may pass away but my words shall not pass away
    All scripture is inspired

    does not say anything about exegesis or context etc.

    So please share your faith

    is peter the rock that Christ built the new covenant church upon Matt 16:18
    Does peter and his successors have the keys of the kingdom of david
    Is the prime minister of the king called father
    Isa 22
    Is the church built on the apostles eph 2:20
    Thanks
     
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    No Jesus is the rock. This is the most misused verse in all scripture, by Rome .
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Jesus changed Simon's name to "Kephas", which means "rock" or "stone" in Aramaic. Instead, Jesus is identified as being the "Cornerstone", which is "eben" in Aramaic.
     
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