Attention All Creationists, Here's Your Big Chance

[Skwim]

to reveal who the intelligent designer is.

​

I offer this opportunity because internet sources that assert intelligent design are loathe to do so.

By the very nature of definition, "intelligent design" implies a designer. A conscious, thinking, powerful entity of some kind. Yet in all my searching on the internet no one can, or has dared to, reveal his identity. Is he someone who worked for god in the design department? Someone who struck out on his own, designed everything, which god then took credit for creating? or god himself? To my way of thinking, in as much as god is said to have created everything I would think the intelligent designer is god, yet none of these internet sources dare say so, or reveal some other identity.

So, here's your chance:

The Intelligent Designer of Intelligent Design is _______________________________________.

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[Altfish]

Steve Bannon?

 

[Skwim]

Steve Bannon?

Considering everything that's wrong with our world, it's probably not a bad guess.

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[beenherebeforeagain]

to reveal who the intelligent designer is.

​

I offer this opportunity because internet sources that assert intelligent design are loathe to do so.

By the very nature of definition, "intelligent design" implies a designer. A conscious, thinking, powerful entity of some kind. Yet in all my searching on the internet no one can, or has dared to, reveal his identity. Is he someone who worked for god in the design department? Someone who struck out on his own, designed everything, which god then took credit for creating? or god himself? To my way of thinking, in as much as god is said to have created everything I would think the intelligent designer is god, yet none of these internet sources dare say so, or reveal some other identity.

So, here's your chance:

The Intelligent Designer of Intelligent Design is _______________________________________.

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Is it me?

 

[Jollybear]

to reveal who the intelligent designer is.

​

I offer this opportunity because internet sources that assert intelligent design are loathe to do so.

By the very nature of definition, "intelligent design" implies a designer. A conscious, thinking, powerful entity of some kind. Yet in all my searching on the internet no one can, or has dared to, reveal his identity. Is he someone who worked for god in the design department? Someone who struck out on his own, designed everything, which god then took credit for creating? or god himself? To my way of thinking, in as much as god is said to have created everything I would think the intelligent designer is god, yet none of these internet sources dare say so, or reveal some other identity.

So, here's your chance:

The Intelligent Designer of Intelligent Design is _______________________________________.

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In my model of reality the intelligent designer of the universe is a theistic or personal or interactive God. I define God as a conscious, intelligent, infinite, eternal being of pure spirit or energy.

However, God i believe created a team of what the bible calls the elohim (e.g. angels or gaurdians or....extra terestrials). Then he gave the blueprints to them in order to design us from the dust.

Interesting enough, the naturalists for all intents and purposes already think we came from non living chemicals in dust or mud.

So.....there ya go. And the evidence of Intelligent design is in information, complexity and order that exists prevalent within our world.

 

[Salvador]

to reveal who the intelligent designer is.

​

I offer this opportunity because internet sources that assert intelligent design are loathe to do so.

By the very nature of definition, "intelligent design" implies a designer. A conscious, thinking, powerful entity of some kind. Yet in all my searching on the internet no one can, or has dared to, reveal his identity. Is he someone who worked for god in the design department? Someone who struck out on his own, designed everything, which god then took credit for creating? or god himself? To my way of thinking, in as much as god is said to have created everything I would think the intelligent designer is god, yet none of these internet sources dare say so, or reveal some other identity.

So, here's your chance:

The Intelligent Designer of Intelligent Design is _______________________________________.



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We're just merely simulated characters whose Creator are post human futuristic distant relatives of people whom each of us simulated programmed conscious beings duplicate in our ancestral simulated universe from base reality.

There are some indications which have convinced me that we are living in a simulated reality.

A "machine" is any causal physical system, hence we are machines; thus, machines can be conscious. The question is: What type of machines could be conscious? Odds are robots passing the Turing Test Turing test - Wikipedia would be indistinguishable from us in their behavioral capacities --and could be conscious (i.e. feel), but we can never be certain. There's no way for any "conscious" being to know whether or not he is actually experiencing a virtual reality produced by an interface between his brain and a computer .

However, there are some possible indications we are living in a computer simulation....

1. A particle passing through a double-slit behaves as a wave causing an interference pattern when unobserved, but this same particle doesn't create an interference pattern when its path of travel can be determined by an observer. This collapse of the wave-function could be happening in order to save computational resources necessary for our simulated reality.

2. There is indeed a mark of intelligence left in our genetic code as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the meaningful numeric and semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s) with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Icarus, May 2013,Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

This mark of intelligence left in our genetic coding is indicative of an intelligent designer, who may be responsible for the simulation of our reality.

3. Theoretical physicist Dr. S. James Gates Jr. has revealved that a certain string theory, super-symmetrical equations describing the nature and reality of our universe, contains embedded computer codes; these codes have digital data in the form of 0's and 1's identical to what makes web browsers function, and they're error-correct codes.

At least one of the following statements is very likely to be true:

1. The human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a post-human stage.
2. Any post-human civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history.
3. We are almost certainly living in a computer simulation.

"Bostrom's argument rests on the premise that given sufficiently advanced technology, it is possible to represent the populated surface of the Earth without recourse to digital physics; that the qualia experienced by a simulated consciousness are comparable or equivalent to those of a naturally occurring human consciousness, and that one or more levels of simulation within simulations would be feasible given only a modest expenditure of computational resources in the real world."

ARE YOU LIVING IN A COMPUTER SIMULATION? BY NICK BOSTROM

Faculty of Philosophy, Oxford University

Published in Philosophical Quarterly (2003) Vol. 53, No. 211, pp. 243-255.

Are You Living in a Simulation

 

[Deeje]

to reveal who the intelligent designer is.

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Seems to me that the first error is conveyed in this illustration....what is it implying? A naked old man "proofing" things into existence? The Bible does not say that God created the material universe like that. It actually relates God's efforts to a woman giving birth.....it was hard labor and required a vast amount of time. (Psalm 90:1-2)

I offer this opportunity because internet sources that assert intelligent design are loathe to do so.

Loathe to do what? Identify the Creator? The Bible does that very well. One would have to be deaf and blind to miss what is obvious to all Bible readers.

By the very nature of definition, "intelligent design" implies a designer. A conscious, thinking, powerful entity of some kind. Yet in all my searching on the internet no one can, or has dared to, reveal his identity.

LOL....you mean that person we call "God"..."Yahweh"..."Jehovah"? Seems fairly simple to those of us who are personally acquainted with him. When you have a friend with whom you have a close relationship, it's difficult to see them as non-existent....but if you have another friend who has never met them, but you keep talking about them, it's easy for them to question the existence of someone who is not their friend and whom they have never even met or seen.

Is he someone who worked for god in the design department? Someone who struck out on his own, designed everything, which god then took credit for creating? or god himself? To my way of thinking, in as much as god is said to have created everything I would think the intelligent designer is god, yet none of these internet sources dare say so, or reveal some other identity.

So, here's your chance:

The Intelligent Designer of Intelligent Design is _______________________________________.

OK....There is only one Intelligent Designer identified in the Bible......YHWH....Yahweh....Jehovah.

According to other parts of scripture, Yahweh was not alone, but had the creative assistance of a first-born son. (Colossians 1:13-17; Proverbs 8:22-31) He has many other 'sons', but only his 'firstborn' was created by God alone, which is why he is called "only begotten"....the only being in existence created directly by his Father.....his 'begetter'.

According to the Bible, the Creator's spirit sons were in existence long before the material universe was brought into existence. (Job 38:4-7) Whatever realm these spirit beings inhabit, it is not a material place and spirits are not material beings....yet the Creator and his son created them all. Mere humans trying to get their heads around things that are beyond their comprehension, is like attempting to explain colour to someone born blind. Under their present level of knowledge, (like a newborn trying to comprehend quantum physics) they have no way to test for the existence of intelligent lifeforms that are immaterial. That does not mean that they cannot exist.

So Yahweh is the Intelligent Designer of all things, but the fabricator of the materials that he brought into existence were fashioned by his competent assistant. (Proverbs 8:30-31) I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.....?

 

[Jose Fly]

Funny how in the early days of ID creationism, its advocates were very cautious about not making it known that the "designer" they were talking about was God. That was necessary because if that got out, then ID creationism would easily be identified as just another form of creationism and as such couldn't be taught in schools. And since that was the entire point, they went to great lengths to pretend to be neutral about the identity of the "designer".

But now that the charade is over and the political strategy has long since failed, ID creationists are quite open about how the term "designer" is just a euphemism for God. And of course since "designer" = God, then "intelligent design" is simply "creationism".

 

[Salvador]

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Seems to me that the first error is conveyed in this illustration....what is it implying? A naked old man "proofing" things into existence? The Bible does not say that God created the material universe like that. It actually relates God's efforts to a woman giving birth.....it was hard labor and required a vast amount of time. (Psalm 90:1-2)



Loathe to do what? Identify the Creator? The Bible does that very well. One would have to be deaf and blind to miss what is obvious to all Bible readers.



LOL....you mean that person we call "God"..."Yahweh"..."Jehovah"? Seems fairly simple to those of us who are personally acquainted with him. When you have a friend with whom you have a close relationship, it's difficult to see them as non-existent....but if you have another friend who has never met them, but you keep talking about them, it's easy for them to question the existence of someone who is not their friend and whom they have never even met or seen.



OK....There is only one Intelligent Designer identified in the Bible......YHWH....Yahweh....Jehovah.

According to other parts of scripture, Yahweh was not alone, but had the creative assistance of a first-born son. (Colossians 1:13-17; Proverbs 8:22-31) He has many other 'sons', but only his 'firstborn' was created by God alone, which is why he is called "only begotten"....the only being in existence created directly by his Father.....his 'begetter'.

According to the Bible, the Creator's spirit sons were in existence long before the material universe was brought into existence. (Job 38:4-7) Whatever realm these spirit beings inhabit, it is not a material place and spirits are not material beings....yet the Creator and his son created them all. Mere humans trying to get their heads around things that are beyond their comprehension, is like attempting to explain colour to someone born blind. Under their present level of knowledge, (like a newborn trying to comprehend quantum physics) they have no way to test for the existence of intelligent lifeforms that are immaterial. That does not mean that they cannot exist.

So Yahweh is the Intelligent Designer of all things, but the fabricator of the materials that he brought into existence were fashioned by his competent assistant. (Proverbs 8:30-31) I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.....?

The Bible states we humans are created in God's image, this could mean our Creator might be post human futuristic descendants of humans from whom we simulated beings are duplicated in an ancestral simulation by our Creator for them to better understand their distant human ancestors who've actually lived before our Creator in base reality.

 

[Skwim]

Is it me?

If you have to ask, it isn't you.

In my model of reality the intelligent designer of the universe is a theistic or personal or interactive God. I define God as a conscious, intelligent, infinite, eternal being of pure spirit or energy.

Okay, good. A nice straight forward answer.

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We're just merely simulated characters whose Creator are post human futuristic distant relatives of people whom each of us simulated programmed conscious beings duplicate in our ancestral simulated universe from base reality.

There are some indications which have convinced me that we are living in a simulated reality.

A "machine" is any causal physical system, hence we are machines; thus, machines can be conscious. The question is: What type of machines could be conscious? Odds are robots passing the Turing Test Turing test - Wikipedia would be indistinguishable from us in their behavioral capacities --and could be conscious (i.e. feel), but we can never be certain. There's no way for any "conscious" being to know whether or not he is actually experiencing a virtual reality produced by an interface between his brain and a computer .

However, there are some possible indications we are living in a computer simulation....

1. A particle passing through a double-slit behaves as a wave causing an interference pattern when unobserved, but this same particle doesn't create an interference pattern when its path of travel can be determined by an observer. This collapse of the wave-function could be happening in order to save computational resources necessary for our simulated reality.

2. There is indeed a mark of intelligence left in our genetic code as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the meaningful numeric and semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s) with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Icarus, May 2013,Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

This mark of intelligence left in our genetic coding is indicative of an intelligent designer, who may be responsible for the simulation of our reality.

3. Theoretical physicist Dr. S. James Gates Jr. has revealved that a certain string theory, super-symmetrical equations describing the nature and reality of our universe, contains embedded computer codes; these codes have digital data in the form of 0's and 1's identical to what makes web browsers function, and they're error-correct codes.

At least one of the following statements is very likely to be true:

1. The human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a post-human stage.
2. Any post-human civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history.
3. We are almost certainly living in a computer simulation.

"Bostrom's argument rests on the premise that given sufficiently advanced technology, it is possible to represent the populated surface of the Earth without recourse to digital physics; that the qualia experienced by a simulated consciousness are comparable or equivalent to those of a naturally occurring human consciousness, and that one or more levels of simulation within simulations would be feasible given only a modest expenditure of computational resources in the real world."

ARE YOU LIVING IN A COMPUTER SIMULATION? BY NICK BOSTROM

Faculty of Philosophy, Oxford University

Published in Philosophical Quarterly (2003) Vol. 53, No. 211, pp. 243-255.

Are You Living in a Simulation

Gotta say, I lost you at,

"We're just merely simulated characters whose Creator are post human futuristic distant relatives of people whom each of us simulated programmed conscious beings duplicate in our ancestral simulated universe from base reality."​

Sorry.
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[Skwim]

Funny how in the early days of ID creationism, its advocates were very cautious about not making it known that the "designer" they were talking about was God. That was necessary because if that got out, then ID creationism would easily be identified as just another form of creationism and as such couldn't be taught in schools. And since that was the entire point, they went to great lengths to pretend to be neutral about the identity of the "designer".

But now that the charade is over and the political strategy has long since failed, ID creationists are quite open about how the term "designer" is just a euphemism for God.

Boy, I sure wish I had come across them, because I didn't find a one who admitted as much.

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[Salvador]

If you have to ask, it isn't you.




Okay, good. A nice straight forward answer.

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Gotta say, I lost you at,

"We're just merely simulated characters whose Creator are post human futuristic distant relatives of people whom each of us simulated programmed conscious beings duplicate in our ancestral simulated universe from base reality."​

Sorry.
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Sorry, I didn't have a chance to edit my comment in post #9 to make more sense before you promptly responded to the unedited version of my post; hopefully, the edited edition of my post now makes perfect sense for most anybody.

Post #9 is a clarification of what I meant in post #6.

 

[Jose Fly]

Boy, I sure wish I had come across them, because I didn't find a one who admitted as much..

The good thing is, during the Dover trial Barbara Forrest showed many examples of ID creationists talking about how the "designer" they were talking about was really God. Shoot, the Wedge Strategy made it pretty darned clear all by itself!

 

[Skwim]

The good thing is, during the Dover trial Barbara Forrest showed many examples of ID creationists talking about how the "designer" they were talking about was really God. Shoot, the Wedge Strategy made it pretty darned clear all by itself!

Interestingly enough, before I posted the thread I went through the Wedge Document using the search word "god," and while it does appear four times, it isn't connected with "intelligent design" or "creationism."

.

 

[Jose Fly]

Interestingly enough, before I posted the thread I went through the Wedge Document using the search word "god," and while it does appear four times, it isn't connected with "intelligent design" or "creationism."

They kinda gave the game away when they started off by complaining about "materialism" and stated that their intent was to replace current science with one "consonant with Christian and theistic convictions".

Oops!

 

[agorman]

Steve Bannon

Well they say the Creator has a white beard, just like Steve...

The Intelligent Designer of Intelligent Design is _______________________________________.

I believe it's the Demiurge, Ialdabaoth. Probably the same one as the Hindu Brahma. But in a deeper level, we all create reality all the time, according to how our true self vibrates. So in part it's our fault that we fell in this physical world. Yes, we're in a prison, that is also a tough school. Schools use to resemble prisons.

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

In my model of reality the intelligent designer of the universe is a theistic or personal or interactive God. I define God as a conscious, intelligent, infinite, eternal being of pure spirit or energy.

However, God i believe created a team of what the bible calls the elohim (e.g. angels or gaurdians or....extra terestrials). Then he gave the blueprints to them in order to design us from the dust.

Interesting enough, the naturalists for all intents and purposes already think we came from non living chemicals in dust or mud.

So.....there ya go. And the evidence of Intelligent design is in information, complexity and order that exists prevalent within our world.

You have failed to provide objective evidence of a god or designer.
What objective evidence do you have for angels?
All you have seem to have is subjective evidence from your mind.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

to reveal who the intelligent designer is.

​

I offer this opportunity because internet sources that assert intelligent design are loathe to do so.

By the very nature of definition, "intelligent design" implies a designer. A conscious, thinking, powerful entity of some kind. Yet in all my searching on the internet no one can, or has dared to, reveal his identity. Is he someone who worked for god in the design department? Someone who struck out on his own, designed everything, which god then took credit for creating? or god himself? To my way of thinking, in as much as god is said to have created everything I would think the intelligent designer is god, yet none of these internet sources dare say so, or reveal some other identity.

So, here's your chance:

The Intelligent Designer of Intelligent Design is _______________________________________.

.



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Or perhaps some people are just intelligent enough to understand that a being capable of creating the universe and all life within, could never actually be explained by pitiful human minds that can't even think outside their own box..... Let alone a box beyond our comprehension.....

You think it's bad that all of physics collapses at the event horizon of a black hole, but yet we are supposed to be able to explain the One that created it to begin with???? With that physics that couldn't even explain what was created, let alone the Creator????

Yes, the intelligent ones just realize we are vastly limited in our understanding.....

humans don't have the math, physics or the knowledge to even begin to explain that Intelligence.... We are just intelligent enough to understand our limitations......

 

[Subduction Zone]

We're just merely simulated characters whose Creator are post human futuristic distant relatives of people whom each of us simulated programmed conscious beings duplicate in our ancestral simulated universe from base reality.

There are some indications which have convinced me that we are living in a simulated reality.

A "machine" is any causal physical system, hence we are machines; thus, machines can be conscious. The question is: What type of machines could be conscious? Odds are robots passing the Turing Test Turing test - Wikipedia would be indistinguishable from us in their behavioral capacities --and could be conscious (i.e. feel), but we can never be certain. There's no way for any "conscious" being to know whether or not he is actually experiencing a virtual reality produced by an interface between his brain and a computer .

However, there are some possible indications we are living in a computer simulation....

1. A particle passing through a double-slit behaves as a wave causing an interference pattern when unobserved, but this same particle doesn't create an interference pattern when its path of travel can be determined by an observer. This collapse of the wave-function could be happening in order to save computational resources necessary for our simulated reality.

2. There is indeed a mark of intelligence left in our genetic code as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the meaningful numeric and semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s) with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Icarus, May 2013,Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

This mark of intelligence left in our genetic coding is indicative of an intelligent designer, who may be responsible for the simulation of our reality.

3. Theoretical physicist Dr. S. James Gates Jr. has revealved that a certain string theory, super-symmetrical equations describing the nature and reality of our universe, contains embedded computer codes; these codes have digital data in the form of 0's and 1's identical to what makes web browsers function, and they're error-correct codes.

At least one of the following statements is very likely to be true:

1. The human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a post-human stage.
2. Any post-human civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history.
3. We are almost certainly living in a computer simulation.

"Bostrom's argument rests on the premise that given sufficiently advanced technology, it is possible to represent the populated surface of the Earth without recourse to digital physics; that the qualia experienced by a simulated consciousness are comparable or equivalent to those of a naturally occurring human consciousness, and that one or more levels of simulation within simulations would be feasible given only a modest expenditure of computational resources in the real world."

ARE YOU LIVING IN A COMPUTER SIMULATION? BY NICK BOSTROM

Faculty of Philosophy, Oxford University

Published in Philosophical Quarterly (2003) Vol. 53, No. 211, pp. 243-255.

Are You Living in a Simulation

There will never be a "post-human" descendant of man. To make that claim tells us that one does not understand evolution. One cannot evolve out of one's heritage. Any descendant of man will still be a man just as you are still an ape.

 

[Salvador]

There will never be a "post-human" descendant of man. To make that claim tells us that one does not understand evolution. One cannot evolve out of one's heritage. Any descendant of man will still be a man just as you are still an ape.

All human beings are great apes; I'm not ashamed of this fact ....

By way of gene editing, humankind can now significantly and swiftly shape the course of our evolution....

Reference: Genome editing - Wikipedia

Reference: What is CRISPR gene editing, and how does it work?