Atheists Chose to be atheists?

[George-ananda]

But is religion a subject most people actually think about or critically analyze? I still say most people just accept the cultural norms they're raised with. They probably put more effort into choosing a TV or Winter coat.
How many people could even explain the theological precepts, rationale, or history even of their own religion? Fewer, still, can intelligently discuss the competing systems.
Basic Religion Test Stumps Many Americans

I agree that most modern people are not that interested in learning about traditional religion and theology. However everyone seems to have their own thoughts about the God question.

 

[Valjean]

Moral decisions of this severity aren't like choice, do I want to each chocolate or vanilla ice cream today. Nothing like that. But it's a choice to give in and not fight off sins when they begin to command the soul to disbelieve and pretend God's vision doesn't define you and even make you believe he doesn't exist.

But the disbelief predates any awareness of "commands."
We're born that way. People generally don't ever perceive any commands until they're already aware this particular theological doctrine.

 

[Link]

Huh?

Who's "they?" "...didn't want to what?
Satanic forces? Iblis forces?

What is the source of evil? What is source of good? To me, there is a cursed tree and blessed tree. They are hidden in a world we are all connected to. The Cursed tree is lead by Iblis and the blessed tree today by Imam Mahdi. He is the blessed pure word from God connected to all of us, and you can't just talk about morality yet hate what the essence and reality of it is.

If you hate the reality and essence of what goodness is, which is spiritual and has stages, 7 distinct stages, and many stages within those stages, the 7th being with no limits and the utmost realm and highest sky by which God rules his creation through his chosen ones, his names, his chairs, his authorities, his kings.

Noah (a) emphasized on the moral argument so much that his people were able to perceive even the details of the 7 skies, and yet didn't acknowledge God and his Messenger. This is what a choice, but it was not easy one, they gave into the mass propaganda by the affluent rich leaders they were deceived by.

They thought little of Noah's (a) followers because they were of a lower class, and were the losers of society so to speak. Yet, God knew them as honorable and knew the rest to be deserving of his wrath.

Rely on God's vision and don't deceive yourself. You exist no where but in God's vision. That's the reality of who you are, he is the one who knows you and defines you as you are.

 

[Valjean]

I agree that most modern people are not that interested in learning about traditional religion and theology. However everyone seems to have their own thoughts about the God question.

True -- but the 'thoughts' aren't consciously decided by logical reasoning. They're enculturated even before the individual is intellectually capable of critical analysis.

 

[Link]

The truth, to be good, you have to fight for it, to be evil, no wants to but they give into to it. Truth be told.

 

[HonestJoe]

Moral decisions of this severity aren't like choice, do I want to each chocolate or vanilla ice cream today. Nothing like that. But it's a choice to give in and not fight off sins when they begin to command the soul to disbelieve and pretend God's vision doesn't define you and even make you believe he doesn't exist.

We're not talking about moral decisions here, merely whether a person believes in some kind of god or gods. A person can be atheist but still avoid doing bad or "sinful" things and a person can be theist yet still choose to do them.

Or are you one of those scary people who thinks that if you somehow lost your faith in God, you'd instantly become a bad person?

 

[Link]

We're not talking about moral decisions here, merely whether a person believes in some kind of god or gods. A person can be atheist but still avoid doing bad or "sinful" things and a person can be theist yet still choose to do them.

Or are you one of those scary people who thinks that if you somehow lost your faith in God, you'd instantly become a bad person?

Moral decisions are based on intentions, intentions on belief.

 

[Link]

If you hate goodness for what it is, and love evil for what it's not, you are confused and definitely evil, unless, there is some sort of excuse for you and had no way of knowing.

 

[Link]

Or are you one of those scary people who thinks that if you somehow lost your faith in God, you'd instantly become a bad person?

Yes, especially since the true guidance is God's guidance and you cut of his guidance, and hence, morality is compromised by that decision. You rely on conjecture and misleading forces instead for that. And so will perish as a result of not trusting and learn insights from God.

Morality is a trust that we seek guidance and act on it. God's guidance is the guidance, while all others will lead astray to dark valleys of destruction.

 

[syo]

Did atheists choose to be atheists?

Yes.
And I choose to be a pagan/villager.

 

[Valjean]

What is the source of evil? What is source of good? To me, there is a cursed tree and blessed tree. They are hidden in a world we are all connected to. The Cursed tree is lead by Iblis and the blessed tree today by Imam Mahdi. He is the blessed pure word from God connected to all of us, and you can't just talk about morality yet hate what the essence and reality of it is.

If you hate the reality and essence of what goodness is, which is spiritual and has stages, 7 distinct stages, and many stages within those stages, the 7th being with no limits and the utmost realm and highest sky by which God rules his creation through his chosen ones, his names, his chairs, his authorities, his kings.

Noah (a) emphasized on the moral argument so much that his people were able to perceive even the details of the 7 skies, and yet didn't acknowledge God and his Messenger. This is what a choice, but it was not easy one, they gave into the mass propaganda by the affluent rich leaders they were deceived by.

They thought little of Noah's (a) followers because they were of a lower class, and were the losers of society so to speak. Yet, God knew them as honorable and knew the rest to be deserving of his wrath.

Rely on God's vision and don't deceive yourself. You exist no where but in God's vision. That's the reality of who you are, he is the one who knows you and defines you as you are.

The source of good or evil is natural selection and sociology.
Isn't good that which promotes the prosperity of the species or society; and evil, that which harms it?

Now you did a lot of preaching here, and made a lot of unsupported religious assertions as logical premises.
Can you explain your reasoning without the religious stories?

 

[Valjean]

Yes.
And I choose to be a pagan/villager.

An hour old baby is an atheist. At what point did he make this choice?

I suspect we're working from very different concepts of atheism.

 

[syo]

An hour old baby is an atheist. At what point did he make this choice?

I suspect we're working from very different concepts of atheism.

Yup, we do. We have different concepts.

 

[Link]

Can you explain your reasoning without the religious stories?

In those stories lies the truth, and insights for the seekers. You call them stories, yet to me, they prove everything we need to know about the world to be guided.

 

[Link]

The source of good or evil is natural selection and sociology.

The arguments against command theory proves morality is necessary and eternal. This suffices to show neither natural selection nor sociology nor anything can create it from nothing including all hypothetical possible creators imagined. Morality is eternal and is created by truth of God's holy vision of himself with respect to his creation and his vision of creation with respect to himself.

You exist no where but in his vision. You can't judge others or yourself except by ignorance if you cut away from God's light and his vision of who you are.

 

[Howard Is]

Yes, they gave in to the sorcery and were overpowered by Satanic forces

You are so melodramatic !
To the point of just being plain silly.

 

[Link]

You are so melodramatic !
To the point of just being plain silly.

We live in dark times when sorcery and magic is a silly concept. The people wielding dark power want you to believe that there is no such thing because they are greedy.

 

[George-ananda]

True -- but the 'thoughts' aren't consciously decided by logical reasoning. They're enculturated even before the individual is intellectually capable of critical analysis.

Not sure what your point is. I believe my thoughts came from logical reasoning.

 

[Link]

We who spread the knowledge, don't care if we are mocked for it. We love people and speak the truth regardless of how they perceive of as strange or weird as a result.

They on the other hand have a system that you have to sacrifice everything for and sell your soul to begin to traverse. May God curse them.

 

[Howard Is]

We live in dark times when sorcery and magic is a silly concept. The people wielding dark power want you to believe that there is no such thing because they are greedy.

There is truth in that, but no religious ideas are required to see it.
I think you are infatuated with your holy quest, because of how it makes you appear in your mirror.
The upright courageous and true warrior .

You conflate that with a global (para)political situation.