herospirit said:
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When you first replied about Ceridwens logic, correct me if I am mistaken, I thought that you were trying to reaffirm it.
No correction needed, I do agree with Ceridwens logic.
And it seemed to me as though you were doing such by saying that its premise was wrong but the logics "truth" was adequate.
No.
I am stating that because the premise is wrong it`s "truth" is also wrong.
The logic however is perfect given the assumption that all premises are correct.
Seeing as how you have retracted the first quote, however, we can continue with what we were discussing beforehand.
I have not retracted this first quote.
I retracted my earlier statement that logic built upon a false premise is pointless.
I still do not see how the two quotes you`ve posted directly contradict each other.
They seem to be saying exactly the same thing.
I stated that logic is first priority in circumstances without evidense.
I agree.
It is too true that debates often come down to prove, and disprove. It is exceptionally ignorant though to do such when neither party has anything but theories to back up their statements.
Agreed, I`m glad this is not the case here.
I will agree with everything Ceridwen said, however, all I managed or attempted to prove is the indifference of his/her premise. It was not the same as mine, thus its logic was not tuned to the same statement, or perspective if you will.
I am of a mind to think that the purpose of logic is to get rid of perspective.
To strip a thing down until you have only what can be evidenced.
To assume a premise is to destroy the validity of the conclusion.
I very explicitly said where evidense is not present. He/She gave me an example where their is tremendous evidense to prove such, thus the premise was different and irrelevant to my logic.
You simply cannot invent your own premise in a logical construct and hope to have any universal validity for your conclusion.
Spirituality cannot be broken down logically unless all who examine the logic are willing to assume the same premises.
Some of us try to assume nothing.