Assisted Death.

[Marisa]

Okay, so don't try to talk people out of suicide, then. It's "their decision".

You may not be aware of this (I am because I work in a psyche practice) but something like clinical depression can be extremely painful to those who suffer from it, and much of the time, the quality of life is utter crap for those who are afflicted.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

But that is your choice.

But is that a choice that should be promoted? Do we really want to say to suicidal people that their choice is acceptable? Maybe we should shut down suicide prevention programs?

In America guns are legal and people are shot and die as a result. Most people who are shot and die as a product of American guns laws die involuntarily. Yet America has normalised the ownership of a gun as far as writing it into its constitution. Americans have promoted a gun culture and people have died involuntarily as a result.

If people die voluntarily as a result of a perceived suicide culture, then that is still free-choice, unlike deaths that occur as a result of gun culture.

False equivalence. Nothing to do with this topic.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You may not be aware of this (I am because I work in a psyche practice) but something like clinical depression can be extremely painful to those who suffer from it, and much of the time, the quality of life is utter crap for those who are afflicted.

Er, yeah. I know. I've suffered from severe clinical depression for most of my life. I've been in the ER on suicide watch because of it.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Title.
Are you for or Against?

I am For. As an atheist, I do not subscribe to the 'Sanctity of Life' theology, nor do I particularly subscribe to the word 'Sacred'. What I do believe in, however, is the dignity of life, and that people should be free to choose a dignified end to their own life.

I am for. Circumstances can be helped. Terminally ill people are in a different situation than I was when I was suicidal. I've watched a few people die from cancer and the final stages seemed to take forever, without relief, without any sense of mercy. Watching them remain alive solely for the benefit for us to say goodbye just felt utterly cruel.

 

[Mycroft]

But is that a choice that should be promoted? Do we really want to say to suicidal people that their choice is acceptable? Maybe we should shut down suicide prevention programs?

False equivalence. Nothing to do with this topic.

Deflection. It's relevant in the area of the Law's relationship to Human Life.

Are you pro-gun ownership or anti-gun ownership?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Deflection. It's relevant in the area of the Law's relationship to Human Life.

Are you pro-gun ownership or anti-gun ownership?

It's not a deflection because gun ownership has nothing at all to do with this.

 

[suncowiam]

Against. I don't believe in promoting a culture of suicide. It also defeats the purpose of having anti-suicide programs. Societies can't have both at the same time.

"Althought you muted me, I will counter argue for others to view in this debate forum."

You're not fully acknowledging the context. There is a huge difference between being terminally ill and being depressed. I agree to a degree that we should ensure programs to help those that enduring severe depression but ultimately the decision is theirs. It does not defeat the purpose of having anti-suicide programs for specific cases like depression. It's much more complicated then simply suggesting suicide is wrong.

 

[Marisa]

Er, yeah. I know. I've suffered from severe clinical depression for most of my life. I've been in the ER on suicide watch because of it.

Been there too. My mom was bipolar.

 

[Quintessence]

I think the fact that we allow assisted death for non-human animals but not for the human animal is perhaps the one area where the legal rights of non-human animals are superior to that of the human animal.

 

[Mycroft]

It's not a deflection because gun ownership has nothing at all to do with this.

It does. It has to do with your morality, choices, and life.

You are against a 'suicide' culture because everyone might kill themselves of their own volition
But are you in favour of a 'gun culture' in which in which people are killed against their own volition?

I don't think you can be one and not the other.

I have watched someone die slowly in agony, losing their sense of self and identity to the other day.

Tell me: have you ever watched someone slowly forget who they ever were? And if it were you, would you want to die with a sense of self? Or continue to live as an empty, mindless shell?

 

[Nietzsche]

Some people have extremely severe depression and suffer from it for decades. Is their pain lesser than a terminally ill patient? Why shouldn't they blow their brains out or have someone overdose them?

You can grow numb to emotional pain. Physical pain because your body is apparently a model that should've been recalled ages ago, never gets any better. And there comes a point in time where it doesn't matter how much or what you take, it'll never get better short of being paralyzed. **** dying like that. I don't owe my life to anyone or anything in this world or any other. Those who would stop me from checking out early because there's nothing more that can be done for the constant, eternal pain can blow me.

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

For whatever reason if an individual calculates the game no longer worth playing I think we should respect that
The game not worth playing for many this could be a boom business if approved . The be queues had a bad day few big bills waiting be bumped hang on that dewd owes me money.

Anything like this needs STRICT rules or it will go silly .

 

[Mycroft]

Those who would stop me from checking out early because there's nothing more that can be done for the constant, eternal pain can blow me.

I suppose this is what makes Mother Teresa such a monster.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I have watched someone die slowly in agony, losing their sense of self and identity to the other day.

Tell me: have you ever watched someone slowly forget who they ever were? And if it were you, would you want to die with a sense of self? Or continue to live as an empty, mindless shell?

I want to die much of the time. So that's a bit of a stupid question to ask. I hate my life and I mostly hate myself. So sign me up for the phenobarbital overdose.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You can grow numb to emotional pain. Physical pain because your body is apparently a model that should've been recalled ages ago, never gets any better. And there comes a point in time where it doesn't matter how much or what you take, it'll never get better short of being paralyzed. **** dying like that. I don't owe my life to anyone or anything in this world or any other. Those who would stop me from checking out early because there's nothing more that can be done for the constant, eternal pain can blow me.

Then go kill yourself.

 

[Nietzsche]

Then go kill yourself.

Not quite there yet. It's just an option I want to have, for peace of mind.

 

[Mycroft]

I want to die much of the time. So that's a bit of a stupid question to ask. I hate my life and I mostly hate myself. So sign me up for the phenobarbital overdose.

But your psychological malfunction can be remedied, if you seek to allow it. Someone with an incurable, terminal illness cannot.

So: have you ever watched someone incurably sit there day by day slowly starting to forget who they are? Can you imagine what that's like? And do you believe it's better to let that person live as a shell, or let them die in a fashion of their choosing while they still have a sense of self?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Not quite there yet. It's just an option I want to have, for peace of mind.

Who says you don't have the option to kill yourself? Or you are a coward who needs someone to do it for you?

 

[Mycroft]

Not quite there yet. It's just an option I want to have, for peace of mind.

It's like a condom in that respect. It's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

 

[Marisa]

But your psychological malfunction can be remedied, if you seek to allow it. Someone with an incurable, terminal illness cannot.

So: have you ever watched someone incurably sit there day by day slowly starting to forget who they are? Can you imagine what that's like? And do you believe it's better to let that person live as a shell, or let them die in a fashion of their choosing while they still have a sense of self?

Not entirely. Meds can ease the pain, but clinical depression is something that can be managed, but not remedied.