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[SageTree]

Nice reply Onkara. Thanks :namaste

 

[ratikala]

dear chinu

now you are either now testing me ???? or you very much missunderstood my question ?????

"please if it is permissable , explain guru initiation (guru initiation mantra )? "please give nice

I was asking you if you are alloud to discuss the mantra itself , if so can you translate its essence ?

and prabhu you seem to enjoy correcting others , so unfortunately I had better tell you "guru dakshina "has nothing to do with initiation :no: guru daksina , is a gift or token of appriciation , given by the disciple to the guru :yes:

now please give nice sincere answers , thankyou prabhu ji ratikala

 

[chinu]

and prabhu you seem to enjoy correcting others , so unfortunately I had better tell you "guru dakshina "has nothing to do with initiation :no: guru daksina , is a gift or token of appriciation , given by the disciple to the guru :yes:

Ratikala ji you are right, i was wrong ... it's Diksha not dakshina.

thankyou prabhu ji ratikala

Prabhu ji .........

guru initiation (guru initiation mantra )? "please give nice

Guru Initiation is like "Starter Curd", As we cannot give birth to "Curd" --- without the help of starter curd, similarly we cannot give birth to "True-love or godly love" without the help of "Starter Love"...... Truely this is diksha.

Initiation mantra is like "Network" & "Chanting Mantra" is like "Trying to Connect the Network".

As the network is useless, or you are a stranger for network ---without rigestration, Similarly mantra without initiation, is useless, or you are a stranger for network --- without diksha.

_/\_
Chinu

 

[GURSIKH]

Nice reply Onkara. Thanks :namaste

Same

 

[Onkara]

It is fascinating. All glory to Sri Guru Granth Sahib :bow:

For example:


Dualist or Dvaita: A strong sense of separation from Waheguru.

Page 13, Line 19
ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਸੁ ਇਹੈ ਸੁਖੁ ਮਾਗੈ ਮੋ ਕਉ ਕਰਿ ਸੰਤਨ ਕੀ ਧੂਰੇ ॥੪॥੫॥
नानक दासु इहै सुखु मागै मो कउ करि संतन की धूरे ॥४॥५॥
Nānak ḏās ihai sukẖ māgai mo ka▫o kar sanṯan kī ḏẖūre. ||4||5||
Nanak, Your slave, begs for this happiness: let me be the dust of the feet of the Saints. ||4||5||
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok


Bheda or a sense of seperation in unison with Waheguru. A sense that man and God are linked but there is a difference:

Page 11, Line 16
ਤੁਧੁ ਆਪਿ ਵਿਛੋੜਿਆ ਆਪਿ ਮਿਲਾਇਆ ॥੧॥
तुधु आपि विछोड़िआ आपि मिलाइआ ॥१॥
Ŧuḏẖ āp vicẖẖoṛi▫ā āp milā▫i▫ā. ||1||
You Yourself separate them from Yourself, and You Yourself reunite with them again. ||1||
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

And finally a sense of Advaita or non-difference - union and no duality:

Page 1428, Line 1
ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਹਰਿ ਅੰਤਰੁ ਨਹੀ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਚੀ ਮਾਨੁ ॥੨੯॥
हरि जन हरि अंतरु नही नानक साची मानु ॥२९॥
Har jan har anṯar nahī Nānak sācẖī mān. ||29||
There is no difference between the Lord and the humble servant of the Lord; O Nanak, know this as true. ||29||
Guru Teg Bahadur - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salo

There are many more wonderful examples.

 

[SageTree]

It is fascinating. All glory to Sri Guru Granth Sahib :bow:

For example:


Dualist or Dvaita: A strong sense of separation from Waheguru.

Page 13, Line 19
ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਸੁ ਇਹੈ ਸੁਖੁ ਮਾਗੈ ਮੋ ਕਉ ਕਰਿ ਸੰਤਨ ਕੀ ਧੂਰੇ ॥੪॥੫॥
नानक दासु इहै सुखु मागै मो कउ करि संतन की धूरे ॥४॥५॥
Nānak ḏās ihai sukẖ māgai mo ka▫o kar sanṯan kī ḏẖūre. ||4||5||
Nanak, Your slave, begs for this happiness: let me be the dust of the feet of the Saints. ||4||5||
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok


Bheda or a sense of seperation in unison with Waheguru. A sense that man and God are linked but there is a difference:

Page 11, Line 16
ਤੁਧੁ ਆਪਿ ਵਿਛੋੜਿਆ ਆਪਿ ਮਿਲਾਇਆ ॥੧॥
तुधु आपि विछोड़िआ आपि मिलाइआ ॥१॥
Ŧuḏẖ āp vicẖẖoṛi▫ā āp milā▫i▫ā. ||1||
You Yourself separate them from Yourself, and You Yourself reunite with them again. ||1||
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

And finally a sense of Advaita or non-difference - union and no duality:

Page 1428, Line 1
ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਹਰਿ ਅੰਤਰੁ ਨਹੀ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਚੀ ਮਾਨੁ ॥੨੯॥
हरि जन हरि अंतरु नही नानक साची मानु ॥२९॥
Har jan har anṯar nahī Nānak sācẖī mān. ||29||
There is no difference between the Lord and the humble servant of the Lord; O Nanak, know this as true. ||29||
Guru Teg Bahadur - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salo

There are many more wonderful examples.

Thanks Onkara, once again you capture my heart with the words you share.
:namaste
SageTree