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Featured Are You Glad the IQ Morality Tests Presented by Yeshua in the Bible is Too Complex for Most?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by wizanda, Mar 14, 2020.

  1. A Vestigial Mote

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    I'm not buying this. And based on the caliber of evidence I have seen from you, I have no reason to.

    I find this statement dishonest. You consistently make threads where you ask us how irresponsible people would be if they rejected the messiah, or state (like you do below in the following quotes) how remiss and horrible people are being because they won't buy into your claims, and are causing all these deaths (deaths that have yet to happen, and for which you DO NOT have sufficient premonitory evidence).

    I guess I am an arrogant demon then And you can take a guess at how much I care about that label. Go on... guess. Coming from you, that label means NOTHING. And you are basically forced to be laid back here, on this site. It's the reason you put that signature of "In my opinion" with the little halo-wearing emoji. It's because you have been called on your more aggressive, preachy methods before, and so you have toned it down to this watered down, passive-aggressive trash. This is precisely what I see. If I am incorrect, go ahead and chalk it up to my being a "demon." I refuse to give a crap.

    I sincerely suggest you go watch the movie "Cabin in the Woods." Watch all the way to the end, know that I would react exactly as the protagonist in the movie, and would give the same response to Sigourney Weaver if presented with the same scenario. Given a tyrannical overlord of the universe, toying with humanity and only staving off destruction of all of mankind if we are willing to play its stupid little games, I would simply refuse to play. Done.

    And there you have it. You think I am disgusting, I grant you the exact same courtesy.
     
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  2. wizanda

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    If you're not smart enough to understand the contradictions in the Bible about John, Paul, and Simon the Stumbling Stone being the Antichrist's teachings, as I was informed about; then that is where I'm explaining it for anyone who doesn't understand it.

    The idea this is all prophesied in Revelation 3:18, that Christ comes back before the Great Tribulation, explaining the scriptures with a new name (Revelation 3:12).

    If you find the world's religions not proof of prophecy fulfilment, maybe try studying it; rather than assuming it is all stupid.
    This shows you honestly have a comprehension problem; I make threads about people having rejected Yeshua, that the world has been convinced of a lie, and soon that lie will lead to WW3, that will destroy humanity.

    I ask you to accept Messianic prophecy, so we can try to fix the issues mankind has made up, otherwise mankind will soon destroy its self.

    It is already prophesied people won't listen, and soon a Holy Quantum Fire will wash humanity, as they start the Final Battle, which will remove the iniquity in a day.

    Thus I'm also asking for the sake of your own survival, to accept the main tenant required to be in the Messianic Age... If the Messiah is to be King over reality, and you reject that, you can no longer exist according to the texts.
    The texts say we're down near Hell; the idea you don't give a crap about the people you love being ultimately deleted from reality, shows a very low standard of morality, there is no need to insult you.
    We're down near Hell, the texts are trying to educate us to be wiser to avoid it, and the best you can do is argue against it, that you're better by going the other way. :rolleyes:

    The game is a morality IQ exam, where mankind has been tested to see if they are evil; since you're not bothered about improving, your mannerisms prove the data was always right. :(
    Your own mother, father, and most people you know would also...

    You hold the fate of humanity in your hands, typing to an archangel sent from Heaven to earth to help, see if mankind can learn to help themselves, and the best you do is start challenging behaviour, to see if you can get a reaction.

    Though I unconditionally love you from the root of my soul, and I personally do not find you disgusting; it is just very disturbing not to care about rationality, humanity or anything for the sake of proving a point...

    I would have you committed though sorry, as clearly no logical human-being could proceed to interact as you have. :oops:

    In other threads in our conversations, you've literally been calling for the end of time, just to prove a point, that the Source of reality comes to get you; so honestly for someone who wants other people dead to claim others disgusting, requires a mental assessment - sorry.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  3. Conscious thoughts

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    That finger you so nicely have put in your answer Wizanda, are you not one you self that point finger at everyone else but you self? Are you any better then any of the people in the world?
     
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  4. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    I live by the standards of always checking fingers pointing back; I've spent my life reading everyone's religious texts, knowing I'm an archangel, and then learning if I'm being hypocritical by their standards...

    I also have spent years online, and in conversations, I'm always checking for that aspects of fingers pointing back I could improve on.
    No, I'm always less; which is why I'm always seeking to understand more.

    In my opinion.
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    Your interpretation isn't consistent with the previous verse, which means that you're rejecting an idea from the same source that you're using to support your argument.
     
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    I agree atheists are mentioned in the first verse but that doesn't mean others aren't also mentioned. We can deny God in our hearts by sinning just as much as atheists. Notice the fool says in his heart that there is no God. How often do we who believe in God deny God in our hearts by evil actions?

    In verse 2 we see that God looks down from heaven to see if there is just anyone at all who understands and seeks God. But, God finds no one. So, God includes us all as foolish not just atheists. Maybe that's part of the point here. Religious people like to think of themselves as being better than atheists. But maybe we are all denying God in our hearts when we do evil.

    As God says "this people draw near me with their mouth ... but have removed their heart far from me" and Paul spoke of some people who like to talk about God but deny Him in their actions saying "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."

    So verse 2 includes all people.
    "The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God."

    There is more meaning in it than you think. It's not just about atheists although they're definitely mentioned and I'm not saying they're off the hook either.


    So we believe that all those who do good and who truly sought and found God did not do it by themselves. Because God helped them and inspired them to do what good things they did even if they didn't know it. And so they owe all credit to God and were saved by His grace and mercy. Without God they were lost sheep and wandering on the mountains a prey to the predators.

    In conclusion it's wrong for anyone to think they have any goodness by themselves. They must give credit to God or they will be tempted to pride or self righteousness which is the same thing. And they may deny God in their hearts because they will say in their heart that they are righteous by themselves. Thus they do not need God.
     
  7. A Vestigial Mote

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    I guess I am just not smart enough to understand then - even with your terrible, inane explanations that make absolutely no sense whatsoever when using the reality we experience as a blueprint. Sue me.

    Don't care what the book says. Again, I don't see a correlation with any of the supernatural-type stuff that appears in that book with the reality that we can actually experience. This is a HUGE disconnect that you can ONLY hand-wave away and claim that there are extra dimensions that we don't experience - all while having absolutely NO WAY to demonstrate the reality of their existence. And then I am called "not smart enough" for not believing in it. Do you honestly think I am going to take anything you say seriously when you push this stuff and pretend you're "smarter" for having "figured it out?" Not even close. Now go ahead and do like you always do and try to wriggle out from under the accusation that you are arrogant enough to believe yourself "smarter." Go ahead, I'll wait. I know it is coming... even though that is EXACTLY what you have been saying.

    I'm not the one throwing around the word "stupid." You are. Oh wait... no... you're using the euphemism "not smart." Bravo. You're so couth. And you assume I haven't studied the texts. I have, and I found them sorely lacking in direct, cogent insight. Instead they are filled with specious, clap-trap-type statements that sound "oh so wise." But then when I read some of the story surrounding it all, I couldn't help but scratch my head and think "why the hell am I contemplating listening to the ancient, ignorant (not meant derogatorily, mind you) people who wrote this again?"

    What a lie. Oh man... this is hilarious. You ask questions ALL THE TIME asking why people won't believe the Messiah when he comes... and then claim that you are him, and people not believing you is some big problem for all life on Earth. Give me a break @wizanda. Please do not feign piety here. This is what I was talking about earlier by you trying to explain your way out of arrogance and conceit. You believe you're smarter, you believe you're some Messiah or angel or messenger sent to save us all and you believe you are worthy of being spared oblivion upon death. That's what you believe, and you need to get over yourself. Now go ahead and hit that "Report" button. You know you want to... because I am being oh so unfair. (And yes, by the way, that IS a reverse-psychology tactic! The main difference is that I admit and understand that it is, and I am being facetious. You, however? Nope.)

    And I don't believe this is any way at all to attempt to start a "recovery" of mankind, or Earth, or anything, frankly.

    And? Is that supposed to compel me in some way? This is a trickster's argument. Used because you have nothing better. It is nothing more than a reverse-psychology SCAM.

    Okay Deepak. Okay.

    And I am fine with non-existence. Believe that. If you believe any of this other stuff you are spouting, then also believe that. Please. I AM FINE WITH NO LONGER EXISTING. Are you?

    Another common tactic... if the fear doesn't strike the heart of your intended target, then turn to their loved ones. You know who else uses that (besides God I mean)? Criminals of various types - gangsters, pimps, kidnappers. Think about it.

    That's just it... I'm not "going the other way." I don't have a horse in this race. I don't believe you. How many times can I say it? I don't believe you. It's not like I am fighting a "War on God" or something. I don't believe there is any such thing. I am a neutral party who isn't willing to choose a "side." Screw your sides. As I said... I'm not playing. God wants playmates? He can look elsewhere. Destroy away bucko.

    Here you go again with the "It was written..." stuff. I'm telling you... these are con-man level antics, and you have nothing more compelling. You should at least admit that to yourself.

    Would also what? Think I was disgusting? They're allowed their opinions... and I am allowed mine. I am good with my choices, behavior and beliefs. I am not even sure if those people you listed can say the same, honestly. Say what you will about my mother, and my father... there is little you know about any of which you speak, and you are completely aware of it. I would never even begin to speak like you do. What a mess.

    The "reaction" I am hoping for is either rationality FINALLY sinking in, OR YOU STOPPING THIS. To my mind you are needlessly making people question themselves or their motives. Anyone who reads your words and is even the slightest bit swayed by them or has a moment of doubt is someone you have negatively affected in my opinion. So yes... I am looking to get you to stop. If you are as good with your position as I am with mine you won't... but damned if I am going to relent just because you won't. Not on your life.

    How can you even begin to say that I am the one not caring about rationality in this conversation?

    What a joke. Go for it. See how far that gets you. You can take me to court and use the "evidence" you parade around here as the impetus for the judge finding me unfit to live my life without psychiatric help. Seriously... I want you to consider that scenario. We both walk into that court room and all your religious, text-pairing mumbo-jumbo is what you bring with you as the proof that I am incapable of rational thought. Who do you think they are going to commit after that little display? Hmm? Think it'll be me - the one who says he has no idea what you're talking about and it all sounds like gibberish? Or the guy who adamantly claims himself to be an arch angel who is going to get to fly around with Jesus in his spaceship with Pallas Athena?

    As stated before (again, I implore you to watch the movie "Cabin in the Woods") if the universe ended up functioning in the ways you describe that it does, and if The Bible is accurate in some grand way about what humanity is and what has gone on, and who God is and the charge He has over us, then yes - the world would suddenly become a very, VERY different place than what I had expected and experienced. Very different than the place I have come to love and cherish. Honestly - if it is all true, then I would rather simply not exist. I am not going to play by God's rules. Maybe He can just get over Himself.
     
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  8. wizanda

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    We can not prove stuff without the evidence.
    The problem is already here upon humanity; I'm here to say to the Godly, don't worry prophecy is real, and you will be returned in a new reality, after the Great Tribulation kills everyone.
    Because you're speaking from a lack of knowledge on the subjects, and rather than study them, you start elaborating to try to make the other person look bad.
    Consider you add contexts that weren't actually spoken, haven't studied what you're speaking about on religious contexts; whilst making stuff up to present a case in a bad light, when you have no understanding, is delusional sorry.

    Try studying the topics a bit more, and learn to not just argue for fun; it isn't as stimulating as challenging ourself to be smarter, rather than trying to knock others for stuff we don't know. o_O

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    But YOU DON'T HAVE THE EVIDENCE! What you have is circular. This is basically you in a nutshell: "The text says so, and so I see it, and tell it to you, and when you ask me about it, I point back to the text." And the HUGE problem you have is that ALL of your evidence takes a GIGANTIC LEAP into interpretation, wobbly-legged exegesis and presumption about what this or that means. You have chosen the parts you want to pair yourself up against, and even THAT is so tenuous it is entirely laughable. I can't believe you can't see it. I simply can't believe it. It is unbelievable.

    But I don't NEED to know what you know in order to live my life. No one does. Do you understand? Nothing fundamentally changes for me if I accept or reject your offer. Nothing. Now compare this to something like the germ theory of disease. Let's say you are completely ignorant of how germs are spread, what their strengths and weaknesses are, that they are transmitted most easily by fluids, that bacteria die when exposed to high heat, etc. Learning all of those things DRASTICALLY CHANGES YOUR LIFE. Now THAT is some information that you can use, is helpful, and is demonstrably true and important. What you are talking about all the time? No. Just no. Not even close. It's nothing. It has no explanatory power nor practical application to the ONE existence we can actually know we get a chance at.
     
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    Okay, Jesus never had a problem when Pharisees obeyed the Bible. (Matthew 23:23) He had a problem when they added or subtracted from the Bible. (Matthew 15:3)
    That is the punishment isn't passed on as they believed it should be back then. But the weakness or propensity for sin is passed on. We know this from epigenetics and because the Bible says God visits the sins of the fathers to the third and fourth generation. This is why God wants us to be born again because we are all born in sin.
    God is willing to forgive; if we repent. (Luke 13:3)

    And you're not Jesus' return. Isaiah 52:7 speaks of the messengers of the good news of the kingdom. Their feet are beautiful because their feet brought them to those who would be hear and obey the gospel. God has chosen to speak to us in this age through the mouths of men. And God says of them "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I."
    Yes there are righteous who have been made so by the mercy and grace of God.

    The only thing that separates a saint from a sinner is that they get up one more time than they have fallen down. And the mercy/love of God keeps them. So they are righteous rather than self-righteous. There is a big difference because one is pride and false and the other is the mercy of God.
    Jesus comes from the Greek translation of Yeshua/Jeshua or Joshua. And was used in the Septuagint before Jesus was born. So it's valid translation. It was God that confused the languages at the tower of Babel and He promised a second time He would again confuse the languages. Which began on the day of Pentecost through the outpouring of the holy Spirit. God will be worshiped in all languages and He promised to turn to the people a "pure language" that they could call on God. This is understood by many to mean the revival of Hebrew. But it is not that spiritually speaking. (There may be double meaning here, but we concern ourselves with spiritual matters) It's the language of the Spirit. Whoever worships God in Spirit and in truth is calling on God in the pure language. (John 4:23)
     
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    Ancient superstitions are arbitrary, irrational, and unsubstantiated, and thus make for a ****-poor "morality test" in the modern, civilized world. A vastly superior test would be based on reason and compassion.
     
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    Yeshua found the Pharisees, which means 'to be set apart', held themselves above everyone in the seat of Moses (Matthew 23); yet were total hypocrites with their own made up Oral Traditions (Matthew 15:1-9).

    Christianity (John, Paul, and Simon) is based on Babylonian Pharisaic Judaism oral traditions, and goes against the Tanakh in the process.
    When the Gospel of John is made up, there isn't a concept of "Born Again" from Yeshua; other than at the Resurrection of the Living.
    At the age of 21 I fulfilled Revelation 10, on a sacred mountain, which is claimed to be a doorway to Heaven; three years later I read the Bible at 24, and realize I've already fulfilled part of the book.

    At 4-5 years old the Source of reality said my name is in religions globally as One, which it is, as the name of the Final Avatar, and Messiah (Revelation 19:12, Revelation 3:12).

    The Source of reality asked me to do this, this is a job for me: I've been asked at 15 to come online talk to people before the Great Tribulation.

    In Revelation 10:1, and Isaiah 52:7 it references the Divine Being coming, with his feet on the mountain; we can see the being is also Sandalphon, by the definition of it being a 'Pillar' between Heaven and Earth, like also found in Revelation 3:12.

    Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar (Sandalphon) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (Zion - Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7), the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda).
    I've literally got memories of my own from two thousand years ago that fix global religion, and know I was sent from Heaven, have had a NDE been back to Heaven at 21, fulfilled prophecy in multiple places.
    Yehoshua (H3091) is translated as Joshua in Zechariah 3.

    As Yeshua warns be aware of imposters claiming to be him (Psudeochristos - G5580), the name of the imposter is shown in the Tanakh, and NT, that the name 'j+sēs' (H5580) is there in symbolism compared to Yeshua (H3444 - Salvation).

    When Revelation says the world follows the Beast, 'j+sēs' means this, 'a Beast that shall tear away':

    Isaiah 51:8 For the moth will eat them up like a garment, and the grub (j+sēs - יסס) shall eat them like wool; but my righteousness will be forever, and my salvation (Yeshua) to all generations.

    Yehoshua is symbolic, where Moses named Hosea sun of Nun, Yehoshua which means 'Shall be Deliverer or Saviour', as he 'shall lead his people to the Promise Land' (Deuteronomy 3:28, Deuteronomy 31:23).

    Thus the name Yehoshua also means the 'Lord Saves' (Exodus 23:20-23), where it is specifically stated to respect the Lord's Messenger/Angel, as it has the power to forgive sin.

    Thus the symbolism of the name 'j+sēs' is prophesied, that it shall corrupt the message, and remove the true understanding of what Yeshua (H3444) is in the Tanakh.

    When Yeshua paraphrases Isaiah 51:8, they don't translate the word for 'Grub' from Hebrew to Greek, as it is blatant cryptic symbolism:

    G4597 σής sēs Apparently of Hebrew origin [H5580]; a moth: - moth.

    Luke 12:33-34 Sell that which you have, and give gifts to the needy. Make for yourselves purses which don’t grow old, a treasure in the heavens that doesn’t fail, where no thief approaches, neither moth (sēs) destroys. (34) For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

    The words Psudeochristos (G5580), and sēs (H5580) explain what the Antichrist is 'j+sēs', and the real Messiah is King David - Yehoshua - Zion/Zan.
    According to prophecy we'd like to bring the 'Good News' to end fighting, and create a theocracy on earth; yet if no one respects prophecy globally, the Source will remove all the workers of iniquity in a Day, and then keep the enlightened saints.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    As a 3 year old before reading any texts I'd ponder the visions of the Great Tribulation, I'd known since before I remember.

    At 4-5 I knew the New Testament was corrupt, and would stop in my Children's copies of the Bible.

    At 5-6 I knew Yeshua didn't go around making "I Am" statements about himself (Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5, Luke 21:8), and the world had been deceived by this - I was also partially made to question that was me by the Divine Council.

    Now I can literally prove the fulfilment of prophecy globally, with the things I've been told, needing to look at the Ancient Greek to see how the Gospel of John is elaborately made up; I virtually knew this at 5-6 years old, without being able to read.

    Therefore what I'm saying is here are things I've been informed of by the Source of reality, that are also in the world's religions, with me as the Final Avatar sent before everyone's destruction.

    Now personally I'd like to educate people; yet honestly with some people's mannerisms, they make me realize why mankind needs wiping out, as they're psychotic...

    Many fight against everything without a cause; yet don't self reflect to become better people.
    That is a start to some of the stuff told to me, and some of the prophecy; the idea some people don't want to study the evidence, and then make outlandish claims, is the problem with comprehending a topic.
    The whole of our reality is about to be washed in Holy Quantum Fire according to prophecy globally in Hindu, Zoroastrian, Hebraic, Islamic, American Indian, etc, texts, and what I've been told personally by the Source of reality as the Messiah at the End of Time...

    Everyone's life is about to end, and only those who understand the qualities ascribed in the world's religious texts, are worthy of the Age to Come.

    There is no offer by the way, you keep making it into some package deal; I'm asking people not to be moral scumbags who want humanity dead, by their lack of wisdom, and instead you're insisting you're right to all be ignorant. :confused:

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    In all reactions in this reality; we get equal and opposite results, not much goes the extra mile in the same direction as the reaction.

    Therefore when if told to be good, most people will go opposite in some way; the Bible & Quran are an evil assessment, as they say immoral things to see if people recognize they are immoral.

    This way it eliminates all those who are hypocrites down here near Hell, as they don't study contexts; as fools follow blindly, and mockers go opposite without a cause - So it catches out all those who'd not follow properly in the first place.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Yes, but not to the extent that you claim.

    [[To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, There is no Elohim. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
    YHWH looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek Elohim.
    They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
    Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon YHWH.
    Psalm 14:1-4

    You're misrepresenting the text, the second verse is about the children of men, not people in general.

    Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.
    Proverbs 22:15
     
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    Please, I beg you... for the sake of your "cause" - STOP USING THIS PHRASE. It is, quite frankly, one of the dumbest things I have ever read in my lifetime. I am not even exaggerating. It is intellectually excruciating to read those words paired together. You should feel the same... but if you have proven one thing, it is that you are basically beyond hope.

    Sure sure. I suppose we'll see. That's the best you can hope for with the quality and content of your message, honestly. "The Source" should realize this. It is completely outlandish, esoteric, and incomprehensible. As I have hinted at before - if this is all true, as you say - then "The Source" is completely responsible for the form of "failure" it is assessing in humanity. Completely responsible. And I don't even care. I can't. I CANNOT.

    How about this... even if I am wrong about all of this, I still have the right to remain ignorant of it - your "Source" has actually given me this right, and made access to your little "IQ club" just about impossible to even desire. And my right in this vein is just like your right to remain ignorant of the legitimate uses of the word "quantum," or how about being completely oblivious and ignorant of how long it would actually take for anything at all happening to the star Betelgeuse to reach or "affect" the Earth. You're completely within your rights to lack a shred of practical knowledge that might help you avoid sounding like you have no idea what you are talking about. I'd wish you luck - but I don't believe in your cause. You need it though, if you expect to succeed. Artifice, experience and cunning are not going to get you there with the message you are conveying. It's too far "gone" for those things to make up for its deficits.
     
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    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    The idea someone has no clue of what is being talked about in religious texts, and then when someone can quantify what is being discussed in the texts globally, and you want them to not use logic or specific definitions; there is no logical reason to do so sorry.
    Since you don't understand what the Message is: the world has been convinced of a lie, and people are not smart enough to understand it; thus the failing is not on my part, it is that we're down near Hell before Judgement Day.
    It wasn't my cause, and it was to help humanity avoid its own destruction.

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    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    You haven't done this. I understand that you think you have... but you have produced nothing at all "quantified." You may have produced some items that are of a "qualitative" nature - meaning that they have particular qualities that evoke various feelings or ideas - but NONE of it is "quantified." Quantified data would be something like a measurement using a particular unit of measure, or giving a number on a 1 to 10 scale, or calculations indicating how far away a particular place is from another (like Betelgeuse from Earth for example). You have provided nothing so cut-and-dry. Don't kid yourself. For goodness sake... you at some points tried to convince me using names of characters and plot points from the 2019 movie "The Kid Who Would be King." QUANTIFIED? Apparently you need to stop trying to use that word also.
     
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    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Stop blaming me for your own lack of understanding, I'm trying to help people understand prophecy before their destruction, and the film summarizes it, the same as many religious texts.

    Since you're not interested in study, lets stop dialogue, as you're just trolling, and pushing for the end of humanity, I don't want to talk to people with such low morality.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Not trolling. Trying to tear your ideas apart and expose them for the sham that I believe they are. That's what I am doing. And it is extremely obvious you know a very little bit about quite a number of things - that much shows through completely with your usage of words from various disciplines of knowledge that have no business being used in the contexts you're using them in. You know a lot about religious texts perhaps - but the only interesting part is the memorization and your ability to draw on it at will. Your interpretations are nothing but subjective, outlandish fairy tales.
     
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