Are the 10 commandments "truth" ?

[Kamala]

I find it interesting that most Christians will insist that any of the laws in the Hebrew scriptures don't apply to them, but they still insist that people follow the 10 commandments, which are part of the Hebrew scriptures.

 

[roli]

I find it interesting that most Christians will insist that any of the laws in the Hebrew scriptures don't apply to them, but they still insist that people follow the 10 commandments, which are part of the Hebrew scriptures.

We don't follow the law in order to be saved ,but are saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone,the obedience to the law is what we do out of love and devotion.

 

[Kamala]

We don't follow the law in order to be saved ,but are saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone,the obedience to the law is what we do out of love and devotion.

I didn't say you follow the law to be saved. I said I find it interesting that some Christians insist they don't have to follow the 613 Hebrew laws because all the "Old Testament" laws are not applicable to them, but then claim that the 10 commandments are absolute and eternal, and that if the entire nation doesn't follow them and if they're not plastered in every school and courthouse (which itself is an ironic violation of the law against graven images) that the world devolve into mass chaos.

Either all the Hebrew laws (which includes the 10 commandments) apply, or none of them do. Jesus even said that if you judge based on only one portion of the law, you will be judged by all of it.

 

[astarath]

Matt 5:17-19 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven

You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Christ told us to follow his commandments, God repeatedly says to follow his commandments. It is not our place to judge right and wrong as the philisophical definition is discussed, solely because God has judged the value of his commandments and directed us to follow them until the end

 

[logician]

I disagree totally with the following commandments:


3you shall have no other gods before me.4You shall not make for yourself an image, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.7You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.8Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. 9Six days you shall labor and do all your work. 10But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. 11For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it.

 

[Tiberius]

Agreed, Wanderer. The ten commandments are either marketting and/or methods of instilling fear in people to ensure obedience, and the ones that aren't are just plain common sense. We don't need a religion to give us the beneficial things that we can get from the 10 Commandments.

 

[Aleister11771]

considering how you christians praise the commandments, and say that breaking any of them is sinning, wouldnt that make them truthful, by the fact that consequences exist, leading me slightly off topic, isnt the commandment that says you should not lust after others possessions debasing every living human simply because they are in their very existence, lustful?

 

[logician]

The first 4 commandments are irrelevant if not offensive to atheists, the rest are certainly not unique, and open to some interpretation.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The first 4 commandments are irrelevant if not offensive to atheists, the rest are certainly not unique, and open to some interpretation.

Is it offensive to atheists that the commandment is given to a group that they are obviously not a member of?

 

[logician]

Is it offensive to atheists that the commandment is given to a group that they are obviously not a member of?

The commandment is supposedly given to all (or at least Xians would have it that way thru political or other means). Yes, they are offensive to atheist if posted in plain view, or are in some manner forced upon society.

 

[JamBar85]

Just because they were written in a book, it does not not make them true. I think there too vague for a start.

Some people choose to follow them, some people don't. It doesn't make you a bad person if you don't.

 

[Danilo T. Aungon]

Moses alleged, 10 Commandments was written by God. No one sees him when he say it. Upon seeing the people have had changed their faith, hee got mad and broke the tablets containing the allege commandments, then, he wrote again a second set. The first was allegedly came from God, the second one is sure not from God.
Moses,

 

[Danilo T. Aungon]

Moses produced 10 commandments to perpetuate his leadership to Israelites. He needs strong binding rules to do so.

 

[herushura]

10 commanments are FALSE, they were stolen from the Ancient Egytpian 'Book of the Dead' and reinstated into they own religion.

 

[logician]

The 10 commandments are only useful to those for the religions that they pertain to, they certainly are not guides for atheists, or many other beliefs.

 

[Big_TJ]

Anyone know why " thou shall not commit fornication" did not make the Big 10?
It seem God hated fornicators more than adulterors:yes:, but it is adultery that makes the Top 10 instead of fornication .

Anyone knows (or can speculate) why?

 

[Big_TJ]

Moses produced 10 commandments to perpetuate his leadership to Israelites. He needs strong binding rules to do so.

Since there is very little (if any) evidence that Moses wrote the Torah, it is unlikely that Moses had anything to do with producing any "10 commandments"

In fact, there are several evidence suggesting that Moses DID NOT write any of the first five books of the bible.

 

[Big_TJ]

We don't follow the law in order to be saved ,but are saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone,the obedience to the law is what we do out of love and devotion.

Woow! I thought we were save by grace! Was that a mistake in the bible?

 

[Big_TJ]

I gotta ask which set.

Moses gets the first set of the ten commandments...

1. I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me. And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
5. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
6. Thou shalt not kill.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his [donkey], nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

This list can be found in Exodus 20:2 to 20:17. After Moses gets these commandments on top of the mountains, he goes down, sees they made a golden calf, and gets upset. he broke the stone tablets, a few people were killed, and then Moses goes back up to the mountain. God tells Moses to get two new tablets, saying, ""I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets."

So, we expect the second set of Ten Commandments (found in Exodus 34:12 to 34:26) to be the same as the first, right? let's have a look....

1. Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee: But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves: For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice; And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.
2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.
4. All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male. But the firstling of an *** thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.
5. Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
6. And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
7. Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the LORD God, the God of Israel. For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year.
8. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
9. The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.
10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

I'll leave it to you to decide if they are the same as the first.

There is a good explanation for the difference! God actually forgot what he told Moses first, but remembered that He told him 10 commandments. Then, He just went on and gave him 10 (regardless of whether or not they are the same!). Since Moses could not read, then he did not noticed the difference