The atheism and theist debate over the existence of god
to me sounds about like this:
1. You have an invisible "person" X
2. Stories, books, and debates have described what X looks like. X has a blue blouse, brown slacks, a high and tight-do, and pink polished nails. X is very out going, lovable, and sweet. X does have a nasty side, sharp talking and sarcastic. But that's X for ya.
3. For thousands of years people have known the nature of X and
analogies, mythologies, and stories, that describe how we define X. Some are written others are spoken.
4. Then you have philosophers question what an X is. How does X relate to everyday life? Are we prisoners in the cave waiting to break free to see X or is X the shadows of people behind us?
5. Fast forward to today, many many many of people believe in X. Stories down the years have let people kill others because of how they project their ego and feelings on X while others have been helped and give charity because their humility and personality is reflected on X. X is still the same but different definitions for different people.
Hence why theist and atheist have battles. No one knows how to define X. So how do we know X exists? We can read it (literally) on the screen. We can pronounce it. We can use the letter in a sentence. They are just lines. The shape and how we place them together does not make them any different than they are separate. It's an illusion. However, using these lines, curved lines, and dots brings about communication.
Not right. Not wrong. It depends on how the communication is used, the intent, and how we project our experiences on this mode of communication. In this case, X.
My position is man knows nothing about God. I assume this is the default position of atheists. Am I wrong?
Think of the above. We know X does not exist because we can see how
we are involved in defining what X is from a person (if you dig my metaphor) or a letter (if you don't like metaphors).
God/X exists. We are just saying we don't believe that X exists apart from humanity. An external being.
The default position is there is no god. Where can you find god if you weren't introduced to the
idea, concept, and word of god? Tell me how can you say you don't know if an external being exists when there is no evidence in life outside of our experiences and interpretations that prove it does?
That's like saying X exists without the human existence.
People who say God is whatever... loving, all powerful, Just, merciful, has a plan for all of us etc.
From whence does this knowledge about God come from?
It's all blue outfits, pink nail polish, and high-tight-dos. Don't mistake the description of how people relate to god with god himself. The experiences are real: love (god) and hate (devil) but external beings???
I know nothing about God and neither do you. You can have faith that God possesses whatever properties you feel God should possess, but based on what? Imagining if a God did exist, this is what God ought to be like?
That's the common denominator for abrahamic faiths--faith. That gives one the variable to make a trait (love/blue suit) warn on an external being thereby having that being communicate with that person by his traits-love.
Faith based on evidence through experience, bringing the words in sacred books a part of one's life, changing one's life to reflect their belief, and seeing the results of their belief turn to blessings.
An external god not dependent on the traits that define him? I have no clue. Casper?
You have the Bible, Quran etc... So why do you feel these folks were in any better position than you to have knowledge about God.
I guess there is a 2,000 year point of time where people became unspiritual and need faith while back then even in Muhammad's days, people can talk to god. Even Bahaullah had his days with god but us joe smoes don't.
Something about time has something to do with what is sacred and what is not. No one has explained it to me yet.
Not that I'm going to go about calling believers liars. I just think they feel a certainty that they don't actually possess.
They have faith. Just atheist have a hard time digesting that believers faith is concrete fact to them. Unless both parties want to understand each other, ya'll at a brick wall.
