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Most of the atheists here are constantly claiming they have no god beliefs. In fact, they claim that is the very definition of atheism. And yet they all seem to believe that no gods exist unless and until they are proven to exist by the theists, and in the exact manner that the atheists demand. And they all seem to agree that this has not happened. So as a result, they all do in fact believe that no gods exist. So it does appear that they are lying when they claim they have no god belief, as they clearly believe and argue constantly against any suggestion of the existence of any gods.
That's a new one that I hadn't heard before.
False, they state they don't believe gods exit. You are trying to make it sound uncertain, or a claim that has to be demonstrated.
Atheism means non-theism, and that means non-belief in religious ideas including gods.
Atheists in the basic sense do not believe what I bolded above. This misrepresents atheists again, as if atheists are asserting no gods exist. Most don't do this, all they do is doubt the claims made by believers, and then ask believers to demonstrate their religious claims are true. As we know theists can't.
Theists have the burden of proof when they engage in debate.
Still false and misrepresentative.
It's not them lying.
You took the words right out of my mouth, or my fingertips. Y'all! If that post is edited, it used to say gods "exit" rather than "exist," which is what I think the person means but I'm not 100 percent sure.Without a doubt, a God must enter before they exit.
But that's on you as much as on him; it takes two, and I can't help but wonder if you're enjoying this as much as he is, because... you're still here.
Whether it’s 5000 or 50 million would seem to be irrelevant. Do you believe Christians when they claim to have seen their god or not? Someone brought up a biochemist that writes books now for Christians where he claims that he saw and was spoken to by some god in a dream. Do you think he’s lying?
Because Christians have assured me their god will appear to everyone any day now.
A few?? Pew Research polling shows that a full 79% of Christians in the US believe this. Extrapolate that to the universe of Christians and we get at least 1.5 billion believers. Are their beliefs wrong?
Well, I agree that one of us isn’t.
There is no evidence the world has fallen anywhere. Gravity pretty much determines the earth stays in its place circularing the sun at least for the near future.
Only a small number of available bases out of hundreds.
Some might even say thousands. But I've been around the block, I'll put it that way and leave it at that.
God created the revolving door.Without a doubt, a God must enter before they exit.
Actually your choices appear to church shopping on the same block until you found the shows that fit.
Not really - we moved a lot being a military family. Plus my dad encouraged me to attend youth services. At one point I was going to a youth service on Sunday nights at a primitive Baptist church, and another on Wednesday nights at an Assembly of God church! That was different.
(No. 4 being, "4. That they either lost their father at a young age, or had a strained relationship with their father, making it more difficult to form a good relationship with the Divine Father.")
It depends on whether you mean no [god beliefs] or whether you mean [no god] beliefs. Atheism is simply the absence of any belief in a god/gods. There are hard atheists, who actually go the extra step and say "there is no god," and then there are others who do NOT make that claim but simply don't have a belief in god, such as agnostics.
Shame on you! What kind of person calls others who consistently give him the same response that they simply don't believe in gods liars with zero supporting evidence? How do you think that serves you? What do you think that does to your ethos - your credibility?
No, because many if not most Christians claim to have direct experience of a god, he expects them to produce their evidence before believing them. I've already explained why I don't bother asking for evidence that I know doesn't exist. Inmy opinion, the proper answer is "You don't have the evidence," not "Where is it"
Yet you believe in this god anyway, but according to you, it's the other poster who's not thinking things through.
You're still lying about what atheists believe and what they tell you they believe. Each reader is left to guess whether this an intellectual issue (you just can't learn), a character issue (bad faith argumentation, that is, knowing that you are lying), or some amalgam of the two.
Yet he still abuses atheists at every opportunity.I knew I shoulda listened to my own advice and stayed out of this thread...
I don't want to play ping pong here, I just don't see PureX as angry, which was your original statement. Maybe everyone's got a little arrogance.
I believe him though, when he says he's not angry (in the face of you repeatedly telling him he is) even as I know he says he's challenging you.
He may tell you things you don't like, don't appreciate, don't respect, don't agree with, annoy you, insult you, anger you, (add anything else here that fits). That's not my responsibility, so I don't need updates on his most recent behavior. He's treated me kindly in the past when I was going through a difficult time grieving the loss of family members. I just want people to know he has that kindness, and a genuine curiosity about people and yes, he does seem to enjoy a bit of a brawl.
So carry on, I might read along here or there even though this isn't my usual hill to die on, but I do like a good conversation, because that's why I'm here.
Actually, what you are describing is literally nothing. Atheism is not nothing, or we would not have, nor would we ever need, a word for it. This kind of empty labeling is clearly just nonsensical gibberish. So you really need to ask yourself why you and other self-proclaimed atheists are SO ADAMANTLY beholding to this nonsensical gibberish? Why don't you simply say you're undecided? Or say that you're not a theist. But no. You refuse to use any of these far more sensible and readily understandable means of describing the position that you're claiming for yourself. And instead, you INSIST on using a deliberately empty and meaningless label like "unbelief" when clearly every one of you believes a whole range of precepts related to the possible existence of any gods. It's deliberately dishonest and misleading, and you owe it to yourself and to everyone else to figure out why you are choosing to be deliberately dishonest and misleading.
Atheism is not a person. Atheism is neither "hard" nor "soft". Atheism is a theological position that a person either agrees with or does not agree with. And that position is that the theists proposition is untrue. That no gods exist in any way that effects our existence. Atheism is not defined by atheists. Atheists are defined by their alignment with atheism.
That is incorrect. Again.
I define atheism for myself, and I apply my definition to everybody else.