Arabs Shun Israeli Media at Qatar World Cup

[Left Coast]

Yet, the Arab countries that drove them into that situation

Drove who into what situation?

far outnumber the Israeli people and have massively more land than Israel. Why haven’t any of the surrounding countries ever offered land, work, or assistance (with the exception of assistance in terrorizing Israel) to the Palestinians?

Well for one, I think they have. I don’t know how they'd give land since the whole point is that the Palestinians want, and have a right, to stay in their own land.

Second, Israel is supported by the USA, which has the largest and most powerful military on the planet. So Israel's small geographic size is made up for by massive money and military might that supports (and directly bankrolls) its actions.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You are free to your presumption, ...

And you are free to pose ignorant questions.

 

[Revoltingest]

Okay, I understand that.
Yet, how about considering the big picture in light of historical context? Israel is a tiny nation surrounded by Arab nations of huge land mass; many which have openly and persistently called for the obliteration of Israel. The Jewish people have historically suffered extensive persecution living in Arab countries. Now they have their own very small nation, which has constantly been terrorized, yet the world demands they continue to give up land and make peace with those who want to see them annihilated. I think the reality is tha Israel is more akin to the Native Americans and the Palestinians supported by the surrounding Arab countries have been like the U.S government.

Big difference.
Indians were driven from their own land.
Israelis drove Palestinians from their own land.

“On May 14, 1948, Israel declared itself an independent nation once again. Israel's Proclamation of Independence stated: "We extend our hand to all neighboring States and their peoples in an offer of peace...and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land...placing our trust in the Almighty...." That olive branch was trampled by the regular armies of at least five Arab nations attacking Israeli settlers in what they described as a war of extermination. That to exterminate Israel is required by Islam (no Arab map shows Israel's existence) makes real peace in the Middle East impossible--but political correctness won't admit it.

More than 800,000 Jews fled from Muslim lands to Israel for refuge, leaving behind virtually everything they had possessed. This was almost double the number of Arab refugees who fled from Israel during the war of independence. Yet these Jewish refugees who fled persecution and slaughter are ignored in the media. For example, in 1948 there were about 265,000 Jews in Morocco, today there are about 5,000. There were about 140,000 Jews in Algeria, while today there are none. There were about 135,000 in Iraq, 75,000 in Egypt, and 30,000 in Syria, with only about 100 remaining in each of these countries.

The Arabs who fled Israel in 1948 (in spite of Israel's urgent invitation to remain to build a new country together) did so at the insistence of the Arab military. They were warned that those who remained would be considered traitors to the Arab cause. Most of those who fled never saw an Israeli soldier. They are the only "refugees" in the Middle East as far as the world is concerned and to whom all the sympathy is given. Jewish refugees count for nothing. The families of those who did not flee comprise about 25 percent of Israel's citizens today and have full voting rights. Some are even members of the Knesset, in spite of their opposition to Israel's existence. In stark contrast, no Jew can be a citizen of any Muslim country, where the few remaining have almost no rights.

One would expect that the Jewish refugees, numbering about twice as many at the time and having fled indescribable persecution in Muslim lands, would be more than a fair exchange for the Arab refugees. Jews would never want to go back to these Muslim lands, and have been well absorbed into normal Israeli life. But the Arab "refugees" (in spite of the Arabs possessing 700 times the land given to Israel, and with vast sums of oil money available for assistance) have been deliberately kept in squalid camps as a festering sore to support Islam's controversy with Israel. They have multiplied into millions and would literally destroy Israel if the world could ever force Israel to receive them back. On October 11, 1949, Egyptian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Saleh el-Din, declared that in demanding the return of the refugees to Palestine [i.e., Israel], "the Arabs intend that they shall return as masters.... More explicitly: they intend to annihilate the state of Israel."
The Islamic Threat To Israel, by Dave Hunt

None of that excuses Israel's land theft & oppression of
Palestinians, nor its use of Ameristan as proxy to attack
Iran repeatedly. Israel is its own worst enemy.

 

[InChrist]

Drove who into what situation?

The situation of losing their homes and becoming refugees in the first place when they were told to leave before the Arab nations attacked Israel.

“The Arabs who fled Israel in 1948 (in spite of Israel's urgent invitation to remain to build a new country together) did so at the insistence of the Arab military. They were warned that those who remained would be considered traitors to the Arab cause. Most of those who fled never saw an Israeli soldier. They are the only "refugees" in the Middle East as far as the world is concerned and to whom all the sympathy is given.”

The Islamic Threat To Israel, by Dave Hunt

Well for one, I think they have. I don’t know how they'd give land since the whole point is that the Palestinians want, and have a right, to stay in their own land.

Second, Israel is supported by the USA, which has the largest and most powerful military on the planet. So Israel's small geographic size is made up for by massive money and military might that supports (and directly bankrolls) its actions.

The U.S. bankrolls a lot they shouldn’t all over the world. Nevertheless, the land belongs to Israel.

 

[InChrist]

Big difference.
Indians were driven from their own land.
Israelis drove Palestinians from their own land.

None of that excuses Israel's land theft & oppression of
Palestinians, nor its use of Ameristan as proxy to attack
Iran repeatedly. Israel is its own worst enemy.

When did Israel drive the Palestinians out of their land? The land of Israel belongs to Israel; always has and always will.

 

[InChrist]

And you are free to pose ignorant questions.

I think the real ignorance is the majority of the world’s hypnotic hatred of Jews and Israel.

 

[Left Coast]

The situation of losing their homes and becoming refugees in the first place when they were told to leave before the Arab nations attacked Israel.

“The Arabs who fled Israel in 1948 (in spite of Israel's urgent invitation to remain to build a new country together) did so at the insistence of the Arab military. They were warned that those who remained would be considered traitors to the Arab cause. Most of those who fled never saw an Israeli soldier. They are the only "refugees" in the Middle East as far as the world is concerned and to whom all the sympathy is given.”

The Islamic Threat To Israel, by Dave Hunt

You should read some less biased sources to inform you on the history of that region:

History of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia

The U.S. bankrolls a lot they shouldn’t all over the world. Nevertheless, the land belongs to Israel.

No, it doesn't. They are illegally occupying territory that belongs to Palestine. That's the whole point.

 

[Revoltingest]

When did Israel drive the Palestinians out of their land? The land of Israel belongs to Israel; always has and always will.

Yeah....about that....the residents who got kicked out
don't feel that this God fellow gave their land to Israel.
But even if he existed, he lacked the authority.

 

[InChrist]

You should read some less biased sources to inform you on the history of that region:

History of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia



No, it doesn't. They are illegally occupying territory that belongs to Palestine. That's the whole point.

You may not like my sources, but it’s simple history which hasn’t been revised and be checked out.
The land of Palestine/Israel has belonged to Jews since given to them by God, always had a Jewish presence, and has been associated with Jewish history. Even then, Jews returning to their homeland purchased land...

Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia


A little history...

“In 1917, the British recognized that a homeland over there called Palestine was the homeland of the Jews. It belonged to them. The Balfour Declaration, 1917. In 1922, you had the Declaration of Principles by the League of Nations, predecessor of the United Nations. And it recognized that all of what was called Palestine—and we’ve explained where that name came from, that it’s not Palestine, it’s Israel—but all that was called Palestine belonged to the Jews. This was their ancient homeland. King David established Jerusalem as his headquarters—in Jerusalem 3,000 years ago. He had a vast kingdom. It was given by God. If anybody wants to believe the Bible, the Bible is the title deed signed by God himself to that land for the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It’s that simple. They were there for more than a thousand years before they were thrown out by Nebuchadnezzar. And yet there were always Jews there.”
Who Was the First to Occupy Israel...the Jews or the Palestinians?


Until 1948 the name “Palestine” was associated with Jews. That meant that the Palestinian people were mostly Jewish. The name “Palestine” or “Palestina” had ancient origins. It was brought into use by the Greeks and Romans after the Philistines who lived in the coastal southern area of the country.
The 5 million members of the Palestinian Jewish Diaspora

 

[InChrist]

Yeah....about that....the residents who got kicked out
don't feel that this God fellow gave their land to Israel.
But even if he existed, he lacked the authority.

Well, I’d say the Creator of heaven and earth has no lack of authority and can deed land to whom He chooses.
Nevertheless, Jews either purchased the land or gained it legitimately in war which was instigated against them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, I’d say the Creator of heaven and earth has no lack of authority and can deed land to whom He chooses.

When he actually shows up, then you might have a case.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Israel is its own worst enemy.

Rarely have we been so much in agreement.

 

[Left Coast]

You may not like my sources, but it’s simple history which hasn’t been revised and be checked out.

Well, no, the one thing the history of that area definitely isn't is simple. If that's your big takeaway from whichever sources you've been consulting...find new ones.

The land of Palestine/Israel has belonged to Jews since given to them by God,

No, I'm sorry, but it hasn't. You may believe that it has because the Bible says so, but that doesn't make it true.

A little history...

“In 1917, the British recognized that a homeland over there called Palestine was the homeland of the Jews. It belonged to them. The Balfour Declaration, 1917. In 1922, you had the Declaration of Principles by the League of Nations, predecessor of the United Nations. And it recognized that all of what was called Palestine—and we’ve explained where that name came from, that it’s not Palestine, it’s Israel—but all that was called Palestine belonged to the Jews. This was their ancient homeland.

You may want to actually read that some time instead of just quoting from whichever apologist site you're viewing.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

So no, it did not say "all of what was called Palestine" belonged to the Jews. Not even close.

King David established Jerusalem as his headquarters—in Jerusalem 3,000 years ago. He had a vast kingdom.

I'm sorry, but with respect: who gives a ****? Lots of ancient rulers had vast kingdoms centuries and millenia ago.

It was given by God.

That may be your religious belief, and you're entitled to it. But the rest of us are not going to go along with some public policy just because you think your God wants things in such and such a way.

If anybody wants to believe the Bible, the Bible is the title deed signed by God himself to that land for the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It’s that simple. They were there for more than a thousand years before they were thrown out by Nebuchadnezzar. And yet there were always Jews there.”
Who Was the First to Occupy Israel...the Jews or the Palestinians?

And of course, even according to Biblical narrative before then it was inhabited by pagans who the Jews conquered and slaughtered. So what?

 

[jbg]

Israeli media outlets are being snubbed and shunned by fans during the World Cup in Qatar:
I can definitely why see why Arab fans would refuse to be interviewed in a way that could suggest approval of Israel's current basis that is largely sustained by illegal occupation and apartheid against Palestinians. While I believe that some of the reporters—as with many other Israelis—might be against the harmful policies as well as the abuse and that no one deserves condemnation just for being born in Israel (or anywhere else), I would still walk away to avoid giving any impression of approval toward Israel's current state of affairs.

I am new here. Why is it that when any other "indigenous" group wants "self-determination" everyone is for it; when the Jews want it it's bigotry, apartheid, or something worse. Israel tried for many years to beseech acceptance within the so-called "1967 borders" which really was a 1949 armistice line when the Arabs sued for houdna. Having taken their best shot in 1967 and lost, they want to rewind the clock back to 1967, with the right to flood Israel with immigrants.

Israel's "current state of affairs" is the result of Jews, for once, standing up and not being led into the oven like mutton.

 

[jbg]

None of that excuses Israel's land theft & oppression of Palestinians, nor its use of Ameristan as proxy to attack Iran repeatedly. Israel is its own worst enemy.

Isn't that a bit one-sided? The Arabs and post-1979 Iran were the ones that would not let Israel be.

 

[Shaul]

Those that shun Israeli media are bigoted haters. They are also hypocrites. Israelis include Jews, Christians, Muslims, Samaritans and Druze. This is an insult to all Israelis, not just Jews. All in support of a canard that is based on lies. Shame on them. Shame on those that spread libels against others such as the lie that Jews are colonizers in the land of their origin.

 

[Revoltingest]

Isn't that a bit one-sided? The Arabs and post-1979 Iran were the ones that would not let Israel be.

My primary perspective is behavior of my own government.
Iran has been subject to far more military & other adverse
action than Israel has suffered, eg, somewhere just shy of
1,000,000 Iranians dead in our proxy attack by Iraq.
And then there are long lasting sanctions, shooting down a
civilian airliner, sabotage, & assassinations. We'd never
tolerate such things being done to us or Israel.
Tis a mighty case of hypocrisy because we make them our
enemy by choice & deed.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I am new here. Why is it that when any other "indigenous" group wants "self-determination" everyone is for it; when the Jews want it it's bigotry, apartheid, or something worse. Israel tried for many years to beseech acceptance within the so-called "1967 borders" which really was a 1949 armistice line when the Arabs sued for houdna. Having taken their best shot in 1967 and lost, they want to rewind the clock back to 1967, with the right to flood Israel with immigrants.

Israel's "current state of affairs" is the result of Jews, for once, standing up and not being led into the oven like mutton.

The right to self-determination isn't what's in question here; it's Israel's increasing establishment of illegal settlements and implementation of policies that make life increasingly difficult for Palestinians.

There's a vast spectrum of potential solutions between the extremes of "all of Israel is a Jewish state" and "every single Jew must be kicked out of Israel."

 

[Debater Slayer]

Those that shun Israeli media are bigoted haters. They are also hypocrites. Israelis include Jews, Christians, Muslims, Samaritans and Druze. This is an insult to all Israelis, not just Jews. All in support of a canard that is based on lies. Shame on them. Shame on those that spread libels against others such as the lie that Jews are colonizers in the land of their origin.

I am once again reminded of why I find Islamism and hard-line Zionism so similar: criticize Islam or Israel at all and you become a "hateful bigot," "antisemite," or "Islamophobe." Call for boycotts or economic sanctions and you're the same.

When any Palestinians support armed resistance to Israel's disproportionate use of violence, Israel brands their views as support for terrorism. When they support other means of resistance or protest such as economic boycotts or shunning of Israeli media, they're "hateful bigots."

You seem to be operating under the assumption that only normalization of relations with Israel is acceptable and not "bigoted." As long as you don't see or acknowledge why there's so much protest against Israel's status quo—Israel itself, regardless of whether those working in its media are Jewish, Muslim, Druze, or anything else—I don't think you'll be able to see past your own viewpoint that Israel is just fine as it is and shouldn't be sanctioned or boycotted.

 

[Harel13]

When any Palestinians support armed resistance to Israel's disproportionate use of violence, Israel brands their views as support for terrorism.

That's because this "armed resistance" is usually led by actual terrorist organizations. And when it's not, it is more often than not directed at civilian rather than soldiers. That's called terror.