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Arabs Shun Israeli Media at Qatar World Cup

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Israeli media outlets are being snubbed and shunned by fans during the World Cup in Qatar:

DOHA, Nov 21 (Reuters) - Arab soccer fans at the first World Cup in the Middle East are shunning Israeli journalists in Qatar trying to interview them, illustrating challenges facing wider "warm peace" ambitions two years after some Gulf states forged formal ties with Israel.

Israeli officials have voiced hope that the U.S.-brokered Abraham Accords reached with the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain in 2020, and later Sudan and Morocco, would spur further normalisation, including with Arab heavyweight Saudi Arabia.

Interview attempts with Arab fans, however, fell flat with reporters from public broadcaster Kan and top-rated Channel 12 TV telling Reuters they had been mostly snubbed. Footage circulating online showed two Saudi fans, a Qatari shopper and three Lebanese fans walking away from Israeli reporters.

So far, there has been no reported ill-treatment of Israeli fans, however:

A Channel 13 reporter said Palestinian fans held an impromptu protest next to him, waving their and flags and chanting "go home".

Qatar does not officially recognise Israel, setting Palestinian statehood as a condition for that. But it has allowed direct flights from Tel Aviv for the World Cup as well as a delegation of Israeli diplomats to handle logistics.

The delegation spokesperson said there had been no reports of ill-treatment of the estimated 10,000 to 20,000 Israeli fans. But he acknowledged "a few incidents" involving Israeli media.

Arabs shun Israeli media at Qatar World Cup, cooling hopes of a thaw

I can definitely why see why Arab fans would refuse to be interviewed in a way that could suggest approval of Israel's current basis that is largely sustained by illegal occupation and apartheid against Palestinians. While I believe that some of the reporters—as with many other Israelis—might be against the harmful policies as well as the abuse and that no one deserves condemnation just for being born in Israel (or anywhere else), I would still walk away to avoid giving any impression of approval toward Israel's current state of affairs.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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Sounds pretty understandable to me. In fact, shunning Israeli media while avoiding ill-treatment of Israeli fans - to the extent that this is true - demonstrates a fare amount of class.

The fact that no other country's media have been similarly shunned goes to show that this is about the illegal occupation first and foremost, not about religion. I hope these actions serve as a wake-up call to more Israelis and all others who support illegal occupation and apartheid while shifting the blame to critics of Israel or downplaying Israel's abuses.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
The fact that no other country's media have been similarly shunned goes to show that this is about the illegal occupation first and foremost, not about religion. I hope these actions serve as a wake-up call to more Israelis and all others who support illegal occupation and apartheid while shifting the blame to critics of Israel or downplaying Israel's abuses.
Antisemitism is a world-wide vibrant hatred inspiring everything from baseless and ugly stereotypes to vicious terrorist attacks. But reality is complicated. To think that Hamas and its followers are devoid of such bigotry would be childishly naive, but to think that Palestinians are driven solely -- or even primarily -- by Jew-hatred is a convenient and pernicious form of willful ignorance.

But none of this offers solace to the families of murdered Aryeh Schupak and those injured in the most recent terrorist attack.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
The fact that no other country's media have been similarly shunned goes to show that this is about the illegal occupation first and foremost, not about religion. I hope these actions serve as a wake-up call to more Israelis and all others who support illegal occupation and apartheid while shifting the blame to critics of Israel or downplaying Israel's abuses.
What about Palestinian atrocities?

“The Western Media seems always focused on Israel. The United Nations calls out Israel at every turn for every perceived slight. And yet, they seem to have a great blind spot when it comes to the abuses happening in the Palestinian areas.”

Focused On Israel: The World Possesses A Giant Blind Spot When It Comes To Palestinian Atrocities
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
What about Palestinian atrocities?

“The Western Media seems always focused on Israel. The United Nations calls out Israel at every turn for every perceived slight. And yet, they seem to have a great blind spot when it comes to the abuses happening in the Palestinian areas.”

Focused On Israel: The World Possesses A Giant Blind Spot When It Comes To Palestinian Atrocities
Criticism is always going to be greater
for the power in control...that's Israel.

It's why we criticize USA government
for atrocities against Indians, instead
of vice versa.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
What about Palestinian atrocities?

“The Western Media seems always focused on Israel. The United Nations calls out Israel at every turn for every perceived slight. And yet, they seem to have a great blind spot when it comes to the abuses happening in the Palestinian areas.”

Focused On Israel: The World Possesses A Giant Blind Spot When It Comes To Palestinian Atrocities

The disparity in power is such that the two are barely comparable in scale. For example:

Infographic: The Human Cost Of The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Total Casualties, Arab-Israeli Conflict

Furthermore, in addition to the much greater scale of violence and killing from Israel's side, it's also committing illegal occupation and forced displacement against Palestinians:

Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestinian territory, tantamount to ‘settler-colonialism’: UN expert

Commission of Inquiry finds that the Israeli occupation is unlawful under international law

A lot of the justification for Israeli crimes and human rights violations is based in religious extremism, usually of a fanatical Zionist or evangelical variety. At its core, it's not so different from the Islamist extremism underlying justifications of antisemitism in some Islamic communities.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Criticism is always going to be greater
for the power in control...that's Israel.

It's why we criticize USA government
for atrocities against Indians, instead
of vice versa.

Also for aggressors rather than defenders.

It's why equating Russia with Ukraine as if the invader and invaded were the same holds no water.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Criticism is always going to be greater
for the power in control...that's Israel.

It's why we criticize USA government
for atrocities against Indians, instead
of vice versa.
Okay, I understand that.
Yet, how about considering the big picture in light of historical context? Israel is a tiny nation surrounded by Arab nations of huge land mass; many which have openly and persistently called for the obliteration of Israel. The Jewish people have historically suffered extensive persecution living in Arab countries. Now they have their own very small nation, which has constantly been terrorized, yet the world demands they continue to give up land and make peace with those who want to see them annihilated. I think the reality is tha Israel is more akin to the Native Americans and the Palestinians supported by the surrounding Arab countries have been like the U.S government.




“On May 14, 1948, Israel declared itself an independent nation once again. Israel's Proclamation of Independence stated: "We extend our hand to all neighboring States and their peoples in an offer of peace...and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land...placing our trust in the Almighty...." That olive branch was trampled by the regular armies of at least five Arab nations attacking Israeli settlers in what they described as a war of extermination. That to exterminate Israel is required by Islam (no Arab map shows Israel's existence) makes real peace in the Middle East impossible--but political correctness won't admit it.

More than 800,000 Jews fled from Muslim lands to Israel for refuge, leaving behind virtually everything they had possessed. This was almost double the number of Arab refugees who fled from Israel during the war of independence. Yet these Jewish refugees who fled persecution and slaughter are ignored in the media. For example, in 1948 there were about 265,000 Jews in Morocco, today there are about 5,000. There were about 140,000 Jews in Algeria, while today there are none. There were about 135,000 in Iraq, 75,000 in Egypt, and 30,000 in Syria, with only about 100 remaining in each of these countries.

The Arabs who fled Israel in 1948 (in spite of Israel's urgent invitation to remain to build a new country together) did so at the insistence of the Arab military. They were warned that those who remained would be considered traitors to the Arab cause. Most of those who fled never saw an Israeli soldier. They are the only "refugees" in the Middle East as far as the world is concerned and to whom all the sympathy is given. Jewish refugees count for nothing. The families of those who did not flee comprise about 25 percent of Israel's citizens today and have full voting rights. Some are even members of the Knesset, in spite of their opposition to Israel's existence. In stark contrast, no Jew can be a citizen of any Muslim country, where the few remaining have almost no rights.

One would expect that the Jewish refugees, numbering about twice as many at the time and having fled indescribable persecution in Muslim lands, would be more than a fair exchange for the Arab refugees. Jews would never want to go back to these Muslim lands, and have been well absorbed into normal Israeli life. But the Arab "refugees" (in spite of the Arabs possessing 700 times the land given to Israel, and with vast sums of oil money available for assistance) have been deliberately kept in squalid camps as a festering sore to support Islam's controversy with Israel. They have multiplied into millions and would literally destroy Israel if the world could ever force Israel to receive them back. On October 11, 1949, Egyptian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Saleh el-Din, declared that in demanding the return of the refugees to Palestine [i.e., Israel], "the Arabs intend that they shall return as masters.... More explicitly: they intend to annihilate the state of Israel."
The Islamic Threat To Israel, by Dave Hunt
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Palestinian atrocities are atrocious. What they are not is warrant for deflecting criticism of an increasingly right-wing regime and a persistently right-wing occupation.
What do you mean “right-wing occupation “? How does the term occupation even have relevance to Israel?
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Okay, I understand that.
Yet, how about considering the big picture in light of historical context? Israel is a tiny nation surrounded by Arab nations of huge land mass; many which have openly and persistently called for the obliteration of Israel. The Jewish people have historically suffered extensive persecution living in Arab countries. Now they have their own very small nation, which has constantly been terrorized, yet the world demands they continue to give up land and make peace with those who want to see them annihilated. I think the reality is tha Israel is more akin to the Native Americans and the Palestinians supported by the surrounding Arab countries have been like the U.S government.




“On May 14, 1948, Israel declared itself an independent nation once again. Israel's Proclamation of Independence stated: "We extend our hand to all neighboring States and their peoples in an offer of peace...and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land...placing our trust in the Almighty...." That olive branch was trampled by the regular armies of at least five Arab nations attacking Israeli settlers in what they described as a war of extermination. That to exterminate Israel is required by Islam (no Arab map shows Israel's existence) makes real peace in the Middle East impossible--but political correctness won't admit it.

More than 800,000 Jews fled from Muslim lands to Israel for refuge, leaving behind virtually everything they had possessed. This was almost double the number of Arab refugees who fled from Israel during the war of independence. Yet these Jewish refugees who fled persecution and slaughter are ignored in the media. For example, in 1948 there were about 265,000 Jews in Morocco, today there are about 5,000. There were about 140,000 Jews in Algeria, while today there are none. There were about 135,000 in Iraq, 75,000 in Egypt, and 30,000 in Syria, with only about 100 remaining in each of these countries.

The Arabs who fled Israel in 1948 (in spite of Israel's urgent invitation to remain to build a new country together) did so at the insistence of the Arab military. They were warned that those who remained would be considered traitors to the Arab cause. Most of those who fled never saw an Israeli soldier. They are the only "refugees" in the Middle East as far as the world is concerned and to whom all the sympathy is given. Jewish refugees count for nothing. The families of those who did not flee comprise about 25 percent of Israel's citizens today and have full voting rights. Some are even members of the Knesset, in spite of their opposition to Israel's existence. In stark contrast, no Jew can be a citizen of any Muslim country, where the few remaining have almost no rights.

One would expect that the Jewish refugees, numbering about twice as many at the time and having fled indescribable persecution in Muslim lands, would be more than a fair exchange for the Arab refugees. Jews would never want to go back to these Muslim lands, and have been well absorbed into normal Israeli life. But the Arab "refugees" (in spite of the Arabs possessing 700 times the land given to Israel, and with vast sums of oil money available for assistance) have been deliberately kept in squalid camps as a festering sore to support Islam's controversy with Israel. They have multiplied into millions and would literally destroy Israel if the world could ever force Israel to receive them back. On October 11, 1949, Egyptian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Saleh el-Din, declared that in demanding the return of the refugees to Palestine [i.e., Israel], "the Arabs intend that they shall return as masters.... More explicitly: they intend to annihilate the state of Israel."
The Islamic Threat To Israel, by Dave Hunt

Palestinians in Palestine are far outnumbered by Israelis. And the Israeli government has vastly more money and power and military strength than the Palestinians.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
The disparity in power is such that the two are barely comparable in scale. For example:

Infographic: The Human Cost Of The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Total Casualties, Arab-Israeli Conflict

Furthermore, in addition to the much greater scale of violence and killing from Israel's side, it's also committing illegal occupation and forced displacement against Palestinians:

Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestinian territory, tantamount to ‘settler-colonialism’: UN expert

Commission of Inquiry finds that the Israeli occupation is unlawful under international law

A lot of the justification for Israeli crimes and human rights violations is based in religious extremism, usually of a fanatical Zionist or evangelical variety. At its core, it's not so different from the Islamist extremism underlying justifications of antisemitism in some Islamic communities.
So what do you mean by “fanatical Zionist “? Do you think it’s wrong for the Jewish people to have a homeland?
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Palestinians in Palestine are far outnumbered by Israelis. And the Israeli government has vastly more money and power and military strength than the Palestinians.
Yet, the Arab countries that drove them into that situation far outnumber the Israeli people and have massively more land than Israel. Why haven’t any of the surrounding countries ever offered land, work, or assistance (with the exception of assistance in terrorizing Israel) to the Palestinians?
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Why that link? I know who Dave Hunt is/was? Are you presuming that became he was a Christian apologist that his research, information and views concerning the subject of Israel or the Palestinians are invalid?
No, I'm presuming that your reliance on such a person clearly reflects both the bias and the poverty of your perspective.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
No, I'm presuming that your reliance on such a person clearly reflects both the bias and the poverty of your perspective.
You are free to your presumption, but his research is impeccable, as well as lines up with historical facts, unlike the majority of information on the subject which is dominated by hatred for Israel.
 
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