Apparently for socialist Tlaib. Politics is more important than visiting her 91 year old Granny.

[Twilight Hue]

After bemoaning that'll be her last time possibly this to visit her aging kin. Israel compassionately and kindly granted her permission, but with the condition that she doesn't politicize while visiting. I thought that was fine , but clearly not for socialist Tilab.

It's just not good enough for this socialist when even being granted with permission cancels her own trip. Apparently her image is far more important. Nice way to say her grandmother wasn't the central reason why she wanted to visit in the first place, but rather to be used as a tool she can continue to be anti-israel.

Rep. Rashida Tlaib declines permission to visit West Bank

Also , she could have (obviously) popped through Jordan legally without any 'fuss' whatsoever from Israel , but her incredible need for media attention of course would far outweigh the sensibility of going through the back door legally as Jordan isn't exactly in the media limelight to spread socialist propaganda and vilify Israel further.

 

[whirlingmerc]

After bemoaning that'll be her last time possibly this to visit her aging kin. Israel compassionately and kindly granted her permission, but with the condition that she doesn't politicize while visiting. I thought that was fine , but clearly not for socialist Tilab.

It's just not good enough for this socialist when even being granted with permission cancels her own trip. Apparently her image is far more important. Nice way to say her grandmother wasn't the central reason why she wanted to visit in the first place, but rather to be used as a tool she can continue to be anti-israel.

Rep. Rashida Tlaib declines permission to visit West Bank

Also , she could have (obviously) popped through Jordan legally without any 'fuss' whatsoever from Israel , but her incredible need for media attention of course would far outweigh the sensibility of going through the back door legally as Jordan isn't exactly in the media limelight to spread socialist propaganda and vilify Israel further.

Poor Granny, no visit from 'Red' Riding Hood.

It feels like the new crowd of Young Restless and Reconstructed Democrats are big on the limelight. It seems to energize their constituency or so they think.

They get attention but in the long run politically sustainable? Maybe not.

 

[shmogie]

After bemoaning that'll be her last time possibly this to visit her aging kin. Israel compassionately and kindly granted her permission, but with the condition that she doesn't politicize while visiting. I thought that was fine , but clearly not for socialist Tilab.

It's just not good enough for this socialist when even being granted with permission cancels her own trip. Apparently her image is far more important. Nice way to say her grandmother wasn't the central reason why she wanted to visit in the first place, but rather to be used as a tool she can continue to be anti-israel.

Rep. Rashida Tlaib declines permission to visit West Bank

Also , she could have (obviously) popped through Jordan legally without any 'fuss' whatsoever from Israel , but her incredible need for media attention of course would far outweigh the sensibility of going through the back door legally as Jordan isn't exactly in the media limelight to spread socialist propaganda and vilify Israel further.

Hey, whats a 91 year old relative compared to the attention she gets trashing Israel.

She really gets off on this stuff ! What is an old prune when she can be on the news !

 

[metis]

Ah, yet again the "socialist" charge is parroted by those who don't really much seem to understand the word, nor do they even seem to have any interest in actually looking it up. I post a link, but it seems to mostly get ignored as the same foolishness just gets repeated again and again and again by some here.

Even though it's fruitless for me to supply any link again, let me do it anyway with the hope that at least one person may actually want to do the homework: Socialism - Wikipedia

 

[metis]

BTW, I don't at all endorse what Tlaib has said in her attacks on Israel, but as an elected representative she has a right to voice her opinion and to visit a country as has been past-practice here in the U.S. without interference from a president. "Politics stops at the border" has long been our practice here, although not always followed. IMO, it was basically unethical for Trump to use his political hatred to get Bibi to not allow them in, and it was unethical for Bibi to stop them. Both Trump and Bibi have very serious allegations against them, so they have no room to talk about any culpability with others.

 

[whirlingmerc]

BTW, I don't at all endorse what Tlaib has said in her attacks on Israel, but as an elected representative she has a right to voice her opinion and to visit a country as has been past-practice here in the U.S. without interference from a president. "Politics stops at the border" has long been our practice here, although not always followed. IMO, it was basically unethical for Trump to use his political hatred to get Bibi to not allow them in, and it was unethical for Bibi to stop them. Both Trump and Bibi have very serious allegations against them, so they have no room to talk about any culpability with others.

I'm hearing a bit of Gold Meir's sentiments She said there will be peace when they love their children more than they hate us. It apparently applies to Grandparents.

A relatively quiet visit and discussing peaceful solutions would have gone far

 

[columbus]

She really gets off on this stuff !

Perhaps she's watching Trump's methods and taking notes.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Hey, whats a 91 year old relative compared to the attention she gets trashing Israel.

Hey, what's a little more hate and division between the Israelis and Palestinians compared to the attention Trump got by moving the USA embassy.
Tom

 

[whirlingmerc]

Perhaps she's watching Trump's methods and taking notes.
Tom

But is it leadership in a good sense? Both sides could do better.

 

[shmogie]

Hey, what's a little more hate and division between the Israelis and Palestinians compared to the attention Trump got by moving the USA embassy.
Tom

Trump simply did what previous administrations, both democrat and Republican, said they would do. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, to pretend otherwise is to be stupid.

The Palestinians had the offer to get everything they wanted including half of Jerusalem for the capital of their state.

Clinton negotiated a superb agreement between Israel and the Palestinians, that was totally to the advantage, of the Palestinians, making them a sovereign nation.

They blew it. yessir arabfat turned it down, and through him the Palestinians chose the situation they are in now.

They will never get again the opportunity they had. Their pipe dream of destroying Israel must be worth how they are living .

The Jews will never again be displaced from their homeland, by force or otherwise. The Palestinians refuse to accept this. They are primarily at fault for their current situation.

They get angry over everything, so it matters little as to what is said or done. Rage is part of their collective psyche, and pandering to it accomplishes very little.

 

[shmogie]

Perhaps she's watching Trump's methods and taking notes.
Tom

Well, it has worked for him, ask Hillary about it.

 

[shmogie]

Ah, yet again the "socialist" charge is parroted by those who don't really much seem to understand the word, nor do they even seem to have any interest in actually looking it up. I post a link, but it seems to mostly get ignored as the same foolishness just gets repeated again and again and again by some here.

Even though it's fruitless for me to supply any link again, let me do it anyway with the hope that at least one person may actually want to do the homework: Socialism - Wikipedia

I did not look at your link, I don´t need to. Socialists want all forms of production to be controlled by the state.

A great start for them will be health care, which accounts for a sizable amount of total annual expenditures.

The alleged man made climate change scenario, in their plan, will give the state control of virtually every human endeavor, from mowing your lawn, to what kind of car you can have, to killing a massive part of the economy, oil and natural gas.

It is a socialists wet dream, the magic kingdom card.

 

[fantome profane]

Socialists want all forms of production to be controlled by the state.

And of course everyone on the left is a socialist, and all socialist want to take over means of production. Therefore everyone on the left wants to take control of all forms of production. Simple logic, and anyone who disagrees is a socialist.

 

[columbus]

Socialists want all forms of production to be controlled by the state.

This reminds me of your belief that a democratically elected POTUS requires an amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

Demonstrably false, but it works for you.
So you believe it.
Tom

 

[BSM1]

BTW, I don't at all endorse what Tlaib has said in her attacks on Israel, but as an elected representative she has a right to voice her opinion and to visit a country as has been past-practice here in the U.S. without interference from a president. "Politics stops at the border" has long been our practice here, although not always followed. IMO, it was basically unethical for Trump to use his political hatred to get Bibi to not allow them in, and it was unethical for Bibi to stop them. Both Trump and Bibi have very serious allegations against them, so they have no room to talk about any culpability with others.

Soooo...you think our Congresspersons have a 'right' to enter any sovereign just because of their elected position? Even is said Congressperson is highly vocal in condemning said country in print and in public?

 

[columbus]

Soooo...you think our Congresspersons have a 'right' to enter any sovereign just because of their elected position? Even is said Congressperson is highly vocal in condemning said country in print and in public?

No.

But if they refuse entry because they don't like the elected leader's opinions they should get cut off from taxpayer funded subsidies.
Tom

 

[Stanyon]

Ah, yet again the "socialist" charge is parroted by those who don't really much seem to understand the word, nor do they even seem to have any interest in actually looking it up. I post a link, but it seems to mostly get ignored as the same foolishness just gets repeated again and again and again by some here.

Even though it's fruitless for me to supply any link again, let me do it anyway with the hope that at least one person may actually want to do the homework: Socialism - Wikipedia

The old " you just don't understand" routine, oh well let them keep pushing claims of racism etc, they just might win!

 

[whirlingmerc]

No.

But if they refuse entry because they don't like the elected leader's opinions they should get cut off from taxpayer funded subsidies.
Tom

So did she want to come to visit her grandmother or not?

 

[columbus]

So did she want to come to visit her grandmother or not?

Apparently not, according to the news.

Did her grandmother want her to come after being muzzled by Israel? Or did grandmother want her to keep fighting for Palestinian rights?
I don't claim to know what really happened.

Perhaps her grandmother doesn't follow your narrative and has opinions that aren't like yours. It's not just possible, it's quite likely.
Tom

 

[pearl]

So did she want to come to visit her grandmother or not?

Initially, but not with a gag order!
'Not afraid to speak to power'