Apparently for socialist Tlaib. Politics is more important than visiting her 91 year old Granny.

[columbus]

. So you don't respect the decisions made by the government in terms of aid.

Oh no.
I utterly do not.

I think spending more propping up Israeli violence than clinics for poor kids is appallingly immoral.

I am sorry to realize that you don't. But I get it.

Abrahamic religion tends that way.
Tom

 

[columbus]

You want line item veto rights on your taxes.

No.
But I would like to have a president who is elected by the people.
Tom

 

[rosends]

Oh no.
I utterly do not.

I think spending more propping up Israeli violence than clinics for poor kids is appallingly immoral.

I am sorry to realize that you don't. But I get it.

Abrahamic religion tends that way.
Tom

Interesting. So you don't like propping up the American economy by ensuring foreign money is spent here. Got it. This must explain why you are railing against all the foreign aid we give to Iraq and Afghanistan too. ANd why you are so in favor of Trump's moves to cut foreign spending.

 

[rosends]

No.
But I would like to have a president who is elected by the people.
Tom

No, you want to pretend that the American electoral system is something that fits your ideas, not the constitution. Thing is, you can't change reality.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Actually, all that applies to Trump.

Apparently you are too young to remember when Russia and the KGB and such were our big enemies. Suddenly, they're our friends.
?
Tom

Lol. I was in the military at the height of the Cold War where the Warsaw Pact was a major theme of my training.

 

[columbus]

Interesting. So you don't like propping up the American economy by ensuring foreign money is spent here. Got it. This must explain why you are railing against all the foreign aid we give to Iraq and Afghanistan too. ANd why you are so in favor of Trump's moves to cut foreign spending.

Heh.
You can't tell the difference between medical treatment and attack helicopters.

That explains a good deal.

Regardless of your opinions, I am not antisemitic. But I am becoming more antiZionist with each of your posts. I don't want to be associated with such an ethical code.
Tom

 

[sooda]

Oh no.
I utterly do not.

I think spending more propping up Israeli violence than clinics for poor kids is appallingly immoral.

I am sorry to realize that you don't. But I get it.

Abrahamic religion tends that way.
Tom

In The Jewish Daily Forward in 2010, Jewish military historian van Creveld argued that the West Bank, far from being vital to Israel's security, is a territory "that Israel can easily afford to give up." Van Creveld contended that the West Bank offers no defense against ballistic missiles from Israel's two chief enemies, Iran and Syria.

 

[columbus]

Lol. I was in the military at the height of the Cold War where the Warsaw Pact was a major theme of my training.

And you still think that a KGB operative should be president of the USA?
Tom

 

[sooda]

No, you want to pretend that the American electoral system is something that fits your ideas, not the constitution. Thing is, you can't change reality.

In 2012 Trump ranted and raved publicly about getting rid of the Electoral College.

 

[rosends]

Heh.
You can't tell the difference between medical treatment and attack helicopters.

Not sure where you get that idea. I do know that Israel provides medical treatment to all sorts of people, regardless of nationality and religion, but I'm not sure that that's what you mean.

Regardless of your opinions, I am not antisemitic.

See, there you go again -- you say "regardless of your opinions" as if you have decided that I have the opinion that you are anti-semitic. But since I'm not of that opinion, you are wrong again. This is another example of you needing to feel like a victim.

But I am becoming more antiZionist with each of your posts. I don't want to be associated with such an ethical code.
Tom

If your political views can be influenced by posts on an anonymous internet message board then you really should take a breath and reevaluate how you make decisions.

 

[rosends]

In 2012 Trump ranted and raved publicly about getting rid of the Electoral College.

That's nice, Did he get rid of it? If not, it was the law of the land and decided the election, the same way it has for a while.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

And there are plenty of personal accounts and reports that say that it isn't. You are choosing to believe the one that somehow fits with your thinking.

I take both perspectives but I also have personal accounts in my own family which have shifted my mindset to believing more likely that Israel is an apartheid state apart from their support for South Africa, and apart from reports that Africans were sterilized and how discriminatory practices especially towards Africans looking for jobs and places of residence sure there is evidence there. Just I believe it exists you on the opposite end does not believe it exists.

so talking heads on a youtube video repeat the same strawman

Actually Roland Martin used to work for CNN and worked for MSNBC and other networks. He is well known. I think you missed the point that the likes of Angela Davis, Marc Lamont Hill very prominent figures in the United States and whole Ms. Davis a prominent human rights activist can be punished for criticizing Israel demonstrates the movement of the goal post of what can and what can't you say about Israel.

 

[rosends]

I take both perspectives but I also have personal accounts in my own family which have shifted my mindset to believing more likely that Israel is an apartheid state apart from their support for South Africa, and apart from reports that Africans were sterilized and how discriminatory practices especially towards Africans looking for jobs and places of residence sure there is evidence there. Just I believe it exists you on the opposite end does not believe it exists.

You have changed your claim. Discrimination and even racism are not the same as apartheid. Neither is guilt by association a reasonable claim.

Actually Roland Martin used to work for CNN and worked for MSNBC and other networks. He is well known. I think you missed the point that the likes of Angela Davis, Marc Lamont Hill very prominent figures in the United States and whole Ms. Davis a prominent human rights activist can be punished for criticizing Israel demonstrates the movement of the goal post of what can and what can't you say about Israel.

You repeat your error. Someone's being well known doesn't mean that the thing said is true. I recall three points from the first 2 minutes of that video. The first was the opening comment that criticism of Israel and anti-semitism are 2 different things. That was great. Then, there was the blanket claim that (as you say) critiquing Israel gets you labeled an anti-semite. This isn't true, even when someone on a video says so. Then the claim that Tlaib et al were focused on because of religion. This is also demonstrably not true. Just ask Rabbi Alisa Wise.

 

[metis]

Tlaib was actually going to be allowed into the country. Her request to visit was approved, but she then turned around and denied the access she originally asked for. She's the one who approached Israel and said "Hey can I visit, I won't trash Israel or publicly appear in support of any pro-Palestinian groups". Israel then said "K, deal" and Tlaib then says "No, screw you, I will not be silenced" in an absolutely baffling about-face.

She felt, and rightfully so imo, that there were restrictions put on her that largely were absent when other representatives went there, and also that the move by Bibi was mainly political as was Trump's telling him that allowing them in would make Bibi "look week".

To put it another way, they all have a right to their opinions.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

This isn't true, even when someone on a video says so. Then the claim that Tlaib et al were focused on because of religion. This is also demonstrably not true. Just ask Rabbi Alisa Wise.

You remind me of the ostrich that sticks their head in the sand.

We can go back and forth but a poignant video of the issue I have with Israel can be seen here

The irony of a cyclical persecution.

 

[rosends]

You remind me of the ostrich that sticks their head in the sand.

We can go back and forth but a poignant video of the issue I have with Israel can be seen here

Thank you for not responding to what I said but instead refocusing on what you would rather talk about.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Thank you for not responding to what I said but instead refocusing on what you would rather talk about.

I didn't respond because this is just going to go back with someone who may not consider facts rather resort t their own biases.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Interesting. So you don't like propping up the American economy by ensuring foreign money is spent here. Got it. This must explain why you are railing against all the foreign aid we give to Iraq and Afghanistan too. ANd why you are so in favor of Trump's moves to cut foreign spending.

Just for information, the aid that we spend in the US is absolutely mind-boggling.

U.S. Foreign Aid by Country

Just to keep things in perspective.

 

[rosends]

I didn't respond because this is just going to go back with someone who may not consider facts rather resort t their own biases.

It is also comforting to confirm that you haven't read anything I wrote. Thank you again.