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Featured Answering Tzarah's Question about Hebrew text of Yoel 4:1

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Ehav4Ever, May 11, 2020.

  1. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    1. I'm sure we agree that "that day" doesnt refer to a single day, but to a period of time.

    2. Why are you still going on? None of what you have said changes anything. My arguments still hold.
     
  2. Tazarah

    Tazarah Well-Known Member

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    That's where you're completely wrong. The text says that day, and I agree with the text.

    It says that day multiple times, and clarifies what is being said multiple times.

    What makes you think that you can change what the text says? It says what it says. And that day hasn't even come yet, so how have modern jewish people been defying bible prophecy for the past 50+ years?

    Your argument/logic does not hold up in the slightest bit. If your only argument is to pretend that the word "day" doesn't actually mean day, and instead means a period of time, then don't even bother responding.

    The facts are obvious.
     
  3. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    You are quite mistaken. It is not referring to a 24 hour day.

    Just as "day" in English can refer to a larger period of time (i.e. "in my mother's day" or "in days of old) so also does the word "yom" in Hebrew. Another example is when "yom" is used in Genesis 1. In that chapter "yom" indicates a period of time, not a 24 hour long day. But I don't want this discussion to veer off course into a discussion about Genesis. Day can even mean as extensive a period as an age, as in the expression "in this day and age."

    I'm sorry you can't see this. Your absolute literalism, even when a word is obviously being used in the figurative sense, is your downfall. This tendency may be part of the reason for your inability to read the texts in proper context.

    At any rate, it certainly does look like we will never agree. II wish you the very best.
     
  4. Tazarah

    Tazarah Well-Known Member

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    You're right, you will never get me or anyone else to agree with this nonsense. There are no instances anywhere in the Torah or Tanakh where "day" is referred to as a period of time.

    It clearly says that "day" and if you look into the hebrew it says the same.

    If it were referring to "a period of time of time" then it would make that clear.

    ISAIAH 38:1

    "1 In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came unto him, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live."

    ^ notice the plural. Jeremiah 30:7-11 is referring to a day that has not even come yet. It says day.

    Nice try though.
     
  5. Ehav4Ever

    Ehav4Ever Well-Known Member

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    Based on the additional questions and comments presented. I created a part 2 video to cover the other issues presented. See below.

     
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    Tazarah Well-Known Member

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    You have already confirmed and proven my point in the OP though with your original video though.

    @ 12:53
     
  7. IndigoChild5559

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    I'm absolutely floored with the excellence of this.
     
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  8. Tazarah

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    Joel 3:1-2 (Yoel 4:1-2) clearly says that in that day, God will end the captivity/exile of Judah and Jerusalem and that in that day he will also gather all nations to judge them.

    In Jeremiah 30:7-11, Jeremiah also speaks about this same future event and says "that day will be so great, that none are like it", and Jeremiah also speaks about all of the nations of the world being judged on this day, while the Israelites are gathered by God and placed back into their land.

    Both prophets make it extremely clear that Israel being gathered from captivity/exile goes hand in hand with the nations of the world being judged and destroyed by God.

    There is no way around this fact.

    Babylon was not the last captivity/exile that Israel was subject to, there is plenty of historical evidence which proves this.

    And to be clear, nobody ever said that every single Jew in existence was removed from Israel.

    The prophecies state that the Israelites who were scattered into captivity/exile would be the ones gathered by God during the time that he judges the nations.

    According to the modern jewish people in Israel who claim to be "returning from exile" for the past 50+ years, their "captivity" or "exile" ended in 1948 and for the past 50+ years they have been moving to Israel.

    Their actions concerning their "return to Israel" totally contradict what the prophecies in the Tanakh clearly say would be the case for the biblical Israelites.
     
  9. Ehav4Ever

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    For those who may have missed it there are two videos.

    Video 1: Shows how Torath Mosheh Jews read a text from start to finish and how the Hebrew text shows that Hebrew text states that the nations will be judged by Hashem, the source of creation. That video below.



    Video 2: Shows that the Hebrew texts used by Torath Mosheh Jews shows that prior to the events mentioned in Yoel 4:1-2 (Hebrew texts) that there are Torath Mosheh Jews found in the land Israel who have escaped the nations and a return of navuah (נבואה) takes places in the land of Israel - then after that the events of Yoel 4:1-2 happen with another group of Israelis/Jews being brought back to the land of Israel by Hashem. Further, in this video it is shown how Hebrew Israelites come to a different perspective about themselves based on their use of English/KJV bibles and also their own theology and method of reading their English/KJV texts.

     
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    Ehav4Ever Well-Known Member

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    Also, for those who missed it here is a video about a group of African American Hebrew Israelites who have been living in Dimona, Israel in the Negev Desert since the 1960's.

     
  11. Tazarah

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    There are no scriptures in any hebrew text, english, or any other language for that matter that speak about a mass migration of Israelites "escaping the nations" or a mass migration of Israelites "returning early from their exile" and being in the holy land prior to the events propjesied in Joel 3:1-2 (Yoel 4:1-2).

    If there were, it certainly wouldn't take a 30 minute long video explanation to point out these specific and particular scriptures.
     
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    The fact that you are comparing a small number of african americans who live in Israel to a mass migration of the world's modern jewish population into Israel in 1948, following the formation of a secular home nation by these same modern jewish people who contradict bible prophecy, is an extreme false equivalence and is a weak attempt at explaining away the fact that the modern jewish people as a whole have completely contradicted bible prophecy.

    Who is in control of Israel? Not african americans.

    Who does Israel currently belong to? Not african americans.

    Who decides who gets to live in Israel? Not african americans.

    Etc.
     
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    So, you agree that the African Americans Hebrew Israelites who live in Dimona are Hebrew Israelites/Black Israelites and they are currently living in the land of Israel and the events of English translation Joel 3:1 or 4:1 have not taken place yet?
     
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    I know that Hebrew Israelites have their own personalized method of reading texts so I understand where your conclusions come from. Hebrew Israelite theories, theologies, and conclusions are simply not shared by Torath Mosheh Jews who read and understand Hebrew. That if anything is the bigger point that even you have shown in your comments, so I thank you for that.

    Also, I enjoy making 30 minute or more videos I it gives me something to do in my spare time. Besides, there are some people out there who like 30 minute or more videos; I make videos for them. ;)
     
  15. Tazarah

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    1. The english translation speaks of the same events in any other translation, so stop acting as if you have some sort of magical translation or know of some secret events that are not spoken of in the other translations.

    You have been claiming to know of events not spoken about in the non-hebrew translations yet have not provided a single example of any of these secret events.

    As always, you are just talking but not talking about anything or proving anything.

    2. African americans as a whole entire nation have not been mass migrating to Israel for the past 50+ years, while claiming to be "returning from exile" when the day that the scriptures say Judah and Jerusalem will be gathered from exile has not even arrived yet.

    Like I said, it's a false equivalence and a weak attempt at trying to draw attention away from the fact that the modern jewish people as a whole totally contradict what the prophecies concerning the Israelites say in the holy texts.
     
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    So, if I understand you correctly, ALL/some/most African Americans are Hebrew Israelites, according to your concept, and thus the texts used by Hebrew Israelites, like yourself, clearly explain this to be the reality and the Hebrew Israelite texts clearly explain that all/most/some African Americans who are Hebrew Israelites, according to your concept, are the ones being talked about and no one else?

    Is this correct? If not, what percentage of African Americans are you saying are Hebrew Israelites?
     
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    Another question:

    Do Hebrew Israelites, like yourself, use the New Testament and consider a valid part of Hebrew Israelite "scripture"? If so, who is Jesus to the Hebrew Israelites, like yourself?
     
  18. Tazarah

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    @Ehav4Ever before I answer any of your questions, could you please provide the verses/text that says the captives/exiles of Judah and Jerusalem will escape from the nations and return to Israel before the events of Joel 3:1-2 (Yoel 4:1-2) take place, as you claimed?
     
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    Greetings. I explained that in the 2nd video. That was actually quite a bit of the focus of the 2nd video.

    If you don't feel comfortable answering my questions you don't have to. ;)
     
  20. Tazarah

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    Can you give me the exact chapter(s) and verse(s) of Joel or Yoel which say that the Israelites who are in captivity/exile will escape from the nations and return early to the holy land before the events of Joel 3:1-2 (Yoel 4:1-2) take place?

    I will be glad to answer your questions as soon as we finish dealing with the original issue.
     
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