Another peaceful protest by thousands

[Shaul]

If those restriction are imposed by a democratically elected and accountable government how can this be "robbing of freedom"? Is the executive acting without the support of the legislature or the judiciary branch? Are those provisions unconstitutional? Freedom doesn't mean "no rules"; it means you can help "chose" the rules.

So a majority can order any rule it wants to imposed on the minority?

 

[Revoltingest]

The sad thing is, this should be a great, wonderful, marvelous time for us Aspies. People keeping their distance, no ine touching us, people stayimg away and not being very social and everyone at home, it's as close to heaven as well get.
Except America denied us that.

I'm enjoying refusing to shake hands with people.
It's so wonderfully....distant.

 

[Lyndon]

That’s a dangerous argument. Could that same argument be used against BLM protesters that didn’t wear a mask? What about the notion of civil disobedience? “Ordered sanitary measures”, where does that end? Why not ban all demonstrations that violate the correct “Social distance” orders too? Only “good Germans” are allowed to protest?

SO you support neo nazi Germans if they stupidly protest Covid restraints for their own safety

 

[Heyo]

That’s a dangerous argument. Could that same argument be used against BLM protesters that didn’t wear a mask?

Of course. And I'm sure the BLM protests in Germany would have been terminated if they didn't have worn masks and kept their distance.

What about the notion of civil disobedience? “Ordered sanitary measures”, where does that end? Why not ban all demonstrations that violate the correct “Social distance” orders too? Only “good Germans” are allowed to protest?

Civil disobedience is always risky business. You can get away with inconveniencing someone but harassment will get you fined. Endangering others will definitely land you before a judge.

 

[Shaul]

SO you support neo nazi Germans if they stupidly protest Covid restraints for their own safety

Oh look, the Netherlands must be full of Nazis!!!
The land with no face masks: Holland's top scientists say there's no solid evidence coverings work | Daily Mail Online

Your position that mere refusing to wear a face mask equals being a Nazi is ridiculous.

 

[Lyndon]

I'm saying a lot of the far right idiots protesting in Germany are neo nazis, they have a lot of them in Germany, you should know!!

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The #covidiots have a long history.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I'm saying a lot of the far right idiots protesting in Germany are neo nazis, they have a lot of them in Germany, you should know!!

I know this wasn’t directed at me, but I’m curious. Why is it that should Shaul know this?

 

[Lyndon]

I know this wasn’t directed at me, but I’m curious. Why is it that should Shaul know this?

Because he's Jewish, Jewish people tend to be aware of things like this.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So you’re pro taking away people’s right to protest by falsely claiming they are Nazis??

How come these so-called Nazis are less violent than some other protesters???

The Times of Israel also agrees that the protest was supported by Neo-Nazis:

Neo-Nazis, others hold massive Berlin protest against virus restrictions

 

[Shaul]

The Times of Israel also agrees that the protest was supported by Neo-Nazis:

Neo-Nazis, others hold massive Berlin protest against virus restrictions

Um, “supported by” doesn’t mean much. The “click bait” headline includes a dog whistle of “Neo-Nazis” but there is nothing in (this basically repeated) story showing that the vast majority of the protesters are neo-Nazis. Guilt by association? Attempt to put an albatross on their necks?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Um, “supported by” doesn’t mean much. The “click bait” headline includes a dog whistle of “Neo-Nazis” but there is nothing in (this basically repeated) story showing that the vast majority of the protesters are neo-Nazis. Guilt by association? Attempt to put an albatross on their necks?

It was attended by Neo-Nazis, and the rally's name - the "Day of Freedom" - was an allusion to the Riefenstahl film about the rise of the National Socialist Party.

Probably not all of those who were present were Nazis themselves, but all of them were comfortable enough with Naziism to align themselves with Neo-Nazis.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't think that, when you are endangering your fellow humans by not following ordered sanitary measures, you can claim to be "peaceful".

More to the point, I'm not sure how injuring several dozen cops can be seen as "peaceful:"

45 officers injured at Berlin rally against virus curbs

Tagging @Shaul to give him the opportunity to correct himself.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yet you don't hear them whine about speed limits, helmet, and seatbelt laws. Also, these same people who cry "freedom" would ironically cry "debauchery" if anti-nudity laws were repealed.

 

[Shaul]

It was attended by Neo-Nazis, and the rally's name - the "Day of Freedom" - was an allusion to the Riefenstahl film about the rise of the National Socialist Party.

Probably not all of those who were present were Nazis themselves, but all of them were comfortable enough with Naziism to align themselves with Neo-Nazis.

The protest was organized by Querdenken 771. They are not a neo-Nazi group. Leftist attempts to smear this demonstration’s thousands of attendees with a broad brush of being neo-Nazis is dumb. The demonstration’s name, “Freedom Day”, has no specific connection with the Riefenstahl film, except in the imaginations of some of its critics. Juneteenth is also called “Freedom Day”, so there you go.

Not only are “Probably not all of those who were present were Nazis themselves” but the vast, vast majority of them were not. Resorting to labeling people as Nazis when they aren’t to try to win an argument is a terribly poor tactic.

 

[Father Heathen]

Probably not all of those who were present were Nazis themselves, but all of them were comfortable enough with Naziism to align themselves with Neo-Nazis.

It's not a coincidence that those who hold irrational, irresponsible, and unintelligent points of view would also practice ****-poor judgement.

 

[Heyo]

Yet you don't hear them whine about speed limits, helmet, and seatbelt laws. Also, these same people who cry "freedom" would ironically cry "debauchery" if anti-nudity laws were repealed.

You haven't been to Germany lately, have you?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The protest was organized by Querdenken 771. They are not a neo-Nazi group. Leftist attempts to smear this demonstration’s thousands of attendees with a broad brush of being neo-Nazis is dumb. The demonstration’s name, “Freedom Day”, has no specific connection with the Riefenstahl film, except in the imaginations of some of its critics. Juneteenth is also called “Freedom Day”, so there you go.

Not only are “Probably not all of those who were present were Nazis themselves” but the vast, vast majority of them were not. Resorting to labeling people as Nazis when they aren’t to try to win an argument is a terribly poor tactic.

I didn't label them as Nazis; I said that they were aligned with neo-Nazis. Please try to pay attention.

 

[Heyo]

The protest was organized by Querdenken 771. They are not a neo-Nazi group. Leftist attempts to smear this demonstration’s thousands of attendees with a broad brush of being neo-Nazis is dumb. The demonstration’s name, “Freedom Day”, has no specific connection with the Riefenstahl film, except in the imaginations of some of its critics. Juneteenth is also called “Freedom Day”, so there you go.

Not only are “Probably not all of those who were present were Nazis themselves” but the vast, vast majority of them were not. Resorting to labeling people as Nazis when they aren’t to try to win an argument is a terribly poor tactic.

If the nazis by themselves could mobilize 20.000 for a protest, we'd really have a problem. To get to those numbers they'd have to bus in friends from other countries.

 

[epronovost]

So a majority can order any rule it wants to imposed on the minority?

As long as it's constitutional and doesn't breach the limits established prior to that, that's exactly how a democracy works. Sometimes you win and sometime you lose, but there are things, no matter how bad you lose, that cannot be denied to you (the opposite being true of course). Even political anarchism will recognise that principle.