"Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'"

[lewisnotmiller]

Pretty much my first come to mind thoughts on the issue.

Its not that I find it impossible, its that I find reasonable evidence to be extremely unlikely.

I'd read it, to be honest. l am almost 100% sure I'd spend the whole time scoffing and mutterer under my breath, but Rome and religion are both topics of interest.

However, I wouldn't spend a cent supporting the sort of sensationalism suspect this to be. Would feel like I was feeding the beast.

 

[garrydons]

Shalom. Jesus or more correctly Yeshua was a fictional correcter according to Atwill? then the best thing he should do is to deface from history books the writings of the first century historian like Josephus, Tacitus, etc. because these historians wrote about Yeshua. The bible is not the only book that tells about the Yeshua but others books as well. I encourage Atwill to have a deeper research on the subject.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It will sell a lot of Books.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

It will sell a lot of Books.

I'm going to write one about Jesus and Lincoln teaming up to hunt vampires.

An historical novel.

 

[philbo]

Shalom. Jesus or more correctly Yeshua was a fictional correcter according to Atwill? then the best thing he should do is to deface from history books the writings of the first century historian like Josephus, Tacitus, etc. because these historians wrote about Yeshua. The bible is not the only book that tells about the Yeshua but others books as well. I encourage Atwill to have a deeper research on the subject.

If you were to read further than the headlines, you'd have seen that it's from the way Josephus wrote that he derives this (now, how to put it) "headline-grabbing" thesis, in that if he were right it would mean Josephus was instrumental in writing the propaganda.

..but I have to admit I find his arguments more than a little bit bizarre.

 

[oldbadger]

I'm going to write one about Jesus and Lincoln teaming up to hunt vampires.

An historical novel.

You've got no experience! You need to write from experience! :yes:

You've never battered a vampire in yer life. :no:
That is 'battered' as in beaten up, rather than cooked in a breadcrumb sauce, like 'fish-n-chips'. (Oh Gawd, this is difficult...).

 

[StarryNightshade]

"Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public.

American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ.

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Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire.

Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."

SOURCE and a lot more

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Right or wrong, I don't see it changing many minds.

Meh.

Sounds as credible as the Illuminati controlling the world media, the world bring run by lizard people, or world leaders working together so seamlessly to bring in war to establish a New World Order.

 

[oldbadger]

I'd read it, to be honest. l am almost 100% sure I'd spend the whole time scoffing and mutterer under my breath, but Rome and religion are both topics of interest.

However, I wouldn't spend a cent supporting the sort of sensationalism suspect this to be. Would feel like I was feeding the beast.

So you're not flying to London next week, clutching a £25 entry ticket to the meeting?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

You've got no experience! You need to write from experience! :yes:

You've never battered a vampire in yer life. :no:

Sir, you happen to be ADDRESSING a vampire!

Little known fact: All vampire books are written by vampires. They are tragedies -- the vampire always gets staked in the end.

 

[Shiranui117]

I came into this thread expecting an article from The Onion.

Then I saw that there are people who seriously are proposing this.

I am disappoint.

 

[oldbadger]

Sir, you happen to be ADDRESSING a vampire!

Little known fact: All vampire books are written by vampires. They are tragedies -- the vampire always gets staked in the end.

Oh yeah? So how come you ain't been dragged into the sunlight yet....? Heh?
How can vampires write, anyway? Next you'll be telling me that they made all those Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee films. And don't try telling me that either of them was your Daddy or anything. You can't con me....:no:

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I came into this thread expecting an article from The Onion.

Then I saw that there are people who seriously are proposing this.

I am disappoint.

I'm with you.

Everyone knows that the Gospels weren't a deliberate fabrication; they were the worst accidental translation ever of the story of the life of Julius Caesar: Jesus was Caesar - Summary

 

[Shermana]

Did he address the little basic issue that the Romans persecuted the early Christians in his last book? Or was that all part of their master plan to toughen them up or something?

 

[nash8]

Did he address the little basic issue that the Romans persecuted the early Christians in his last book? Or was that all part of their master plan to toughen them up or something?

I admit that I haven't read through this entire thread, but where is this "Ancient Confession Found". I agree that "Jesus" was most likely a creation of someone, the prophet "Joshua" that this "Jesus" figure was based on was most likely not.

 

[nash8]

I'm with you.

Everyone knows that the Gospels weren't a deliberate fabrication; they were the worst accidental translation ever of the story of the life of Julius Caesar: Jesus was Caesar - Summary

LOL Fail.

 

[Shermana]

I admit that I haven't read through this entire thread, but where is this "Ancient Confession Found". I agree that "Jesus" was most likely a creation of someone, the prophet "Joshua" that this "Jesus" figure was based on was most likely not.

You don't even think some figure named Jesus existed who went around teaching gaining converts, regardless of the Miraculous stories attributed to him? Quite a fringe position even among secular scholars.

 

[arcanum]

a scathing rebuttal
No, Joe Atwill: Rome Did Not Invent Jesus | The Musings of Thomas Verenna

 

[Sunstone]

In light of what people are willing to pay to hear these days, I have decided to come out with a book testifying to the astonishing fact that I myself invented Jesus Christ in 1958 -- a year after I was born. I was a precocious child, you see, and he was my imaginary playmate. But even I had no idea at the time how popular my invention would become. Astonishing, but true. Every word of it. Now pay me.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Quite a fringe position even among secular scholars.

I'd say "virtually non-existent" rather than "fringe". What are there, like 2 scholars of ancient history of any type that believe this? Price and probably Carrier?

 

[nash8]

Meh.

Sounds as credible as the Illuminati controlling the world media, the world bring run by lizard people, or world leaders working together so seamlessly to bring in war to establish a New World Order.

If by illuminati, you mean a small group of about 6 companies that dominate the extremely large majority of American media, yeah that's crazy.
Media conglomerate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lizard people not so much.

As far as the world war thing, seamlessly no, using a world war as the means to institute said New World Order, probably not. Desire to create a one world order, most definitely. The question you have to ask yourself is, "who leads the world"?

You don't even think some figure named Jesus existed who went around teaching gaining converts, regardless of the Miraculous stories attributed to him? Quite a fringe position even among secular scholars.

Not a man named Jesus. A prophet that we would call Joshua in todays times, that did the things that you said, I most definitely think he existed.