PART B REPLY
[7] There was No post-mortem penalty for Adam, but just going back or retuning to where he started.
WE DON’T KNOW THAT.
What we DO know is that God Created humanity with a living Soul: Gen. 2:6-7 {this means an immortal SOUL” 6] But a spring rose out of the earth, watering all the surface of the earth.
[7] And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth
: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul. “ ….It is the human Soul with its Rational attributes that enter into Eternity in either Heaven; Purgatory AND THEN heaven or eternal Hell.
There are tow Judgments:
The “Immediate” which takes place the instant of our mortal death
The Final Judgment at the End Times where our then made Perfect bodies will be reunited with our Souls in o=heaven or HELL Forever.
BTW: Numbers in the bible commonly do reflect our current understanding of them; check out this site for further details.
http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/The Significance of Numbers in Scripture.htm
[8] A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.
This is “true”; however a “persons SOUL”; OUR “OTHER SELF” CAN in a sense prolong US infinitely as is was CREATED to do, and DOES return to a place it has NEVER been before.
[9] Biblical hell exists because biblical hell is mankind's grave for the sleeping dead.
[10] Revelation 1:18 lets us know Jesus has the keys to hell and death.
Via resurrection
Jesus will empty out biblical hell, the grave.
HAYDOCK’s Bible Commentary on veses 17 & 18 “
Verse 17
I am the first and the last. These are the words of the Son of man, or of him that represented our Saviour, Christ, to St. John. To be the first and the last, is another expression agreeing only to him who is the true God, as it is divers times applied by the prophet Isaias. (Witham) --- From the 12th verse to this place we have a description of the Son of man, i.e. Christ. The different emblematical descriptions of his countenance, his dress, &c. are similar to what are used by other prophets, and easily explained of his attributes, his eternity, vengeance, &c. &c. (Omnes passim.) END QUOTES
Verse 18
And alive, and was dead; always living as God, and as man was dead, died on the cross for the salvation of all men, rose again, triumphed over hell, death, and sin, and am living for ever and ever, and have the keys of death and of hell, power over all, all things being made subject to me, even as man, or as God and man. (Witham) END QUOTES
No my friend; you misunderstand the teaching.
God can be briefly but accurately defined as “ALL GOOD THINGS PERFECTED”; then we ask: ARE Being Good and fair: “GOOD THINGS?”…. Of course they are and hence we can, should and could know that in an absolute sense {without exceptions}, God in order to BE GOD MUST, can only {nothing else is possible}, be Fair and Just. … this gets into the very Nature of God as well as the Natures of sin:
1 John 1: 8-10 “ [8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all iniquity.
[10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
1 John 16: 15-16 “[16] He that knoweth his brother to sin
a sin which is not to death, let him ask, and life shall be given to him, who sinneth not to death. There is
a sin unto death: for that I say not that any man ask.
[17] All iniquity is sin. And there is a sin unto death
DOUAY COMMENTARY: verse #16 /17 “
[16] "A sin unto death": Some understand this of final impenitence, or of dying in mortal sin; which is the only sin that never can be remitted. But, it is probable, he may also comprise under this name, the sin of apostasy from the faith, and some other such heinous sins as are seldom and hardly remitted: and therefore he gives little encouragement, to such as pray for these sinners, to expect what they ask END QUOTES
16 "A sin unto death"... Some understand this of final impenitence, or of dying in mortal sin; which is the only sin that never can be remitted. But, it is probable, he may also comprise under this name, the sin of apostasy from the faith, and some other such heinous sins as are seldom and hardly remitted: and therefore he gives little encouragement, to such as pray for these sinners, to expect what they ask. END QUOTES
[11]Emptied-out hell, according to Revelation 20:13-14, is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell.
Rev. 20: 13-15 “
[13] And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works.
[14] And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death
. [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.” END QUOTES
NO friend; this is speaking of the second; the FINAL Judgment. The release is momentary; NOT permanent. …. Once again we are on the issue of Divine Justice which MUST BE “Fair and Just.” … That act of Divine Judgment can never be overridden; or it would not be a /the “Perfect-Judgment.”
https://carm.org/hell-eternal
Following are a few verses that show the eternality of the hell and punishment. God uses different phrases to describe the same thing.
· "And these will pay the penalty of
eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power," (
2 Thess. 1:9).
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· "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of
eternal fire" (
Jude 7).
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· These men are those who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; 13wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved
forever," (
Jude12-13).
Is "forever and ever" without end?
The phrase "forever and ever" is used both of describing God's eternal worth and the duration of eternal damnation. The exact same Greek phrase is used in each of the verses in the table below.
forever and ever
aionas ton aionon
"ages of the ages"
Eternal - without end
"Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory
forever and ever. Amen," (
1 Tim. 1:17).
"...To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion
forever and ever," (
Rev. 5:13).
Eternal Damnation
"And a second time they said, "Hallelujah! Her smoke rises up
forever and ever," (
Rev. 19:3).
"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night
forever and ever," (
Rev. 20:10).
The Greek phrase
aionas ton aionon, which is translated "forever and ever," occurs 18 times in the Greek New Testament. In 17 of them, the phrase means without end, extending into infinity. In
Rev. 19:3, the phrase is used to describe the destruction of the great whore of Babylon (
Rev. 17:1,
4) whose smoke ascends forever and ever. It too is eternal, and it signifies the beginning of the eternal judgment that comes upon her.
Also worth examining is
Rev. 14:11, "And the smoke of their torment goes up
forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
The Greek in
Rev. 14:11 is only slightly different. In the table above, "forever and ever" is translated from the Greek,
aionas ton aionon, which is literally "ages of the of ages." In
Rev. 14:11, the Greek is
aionas aionon which is literally, "ages of ages." In the latter, the single Greek word "of the" is missing. But it is not necessary and does not change the meaning of the text.
Therefore, the scripture teaches the smoke of their torment goes up forever, without end. END QUOTES
My friend, I do hope you’ll permit this reply to add to your right education of the End Times, the Bible and Catholicism.
May God guide our life paths; Sir.15: [17] Before a man are life and death,
and whichever he chooses will be given to him.” And this does mean ETERNAL life {Heaven} and or; ETERNAL DEATH {Hell}
Patrick