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"Am I a Christian" REPLY pt 2 of 9

Patrick Miron

Patrick4Jesus
Pt 2 of 9

Point #[2] Adam and Eve {Here my new friend here it seems to me that your attempting to “walk on water.” That is to have your views supersede and override God’s.

Answer this question:

If humanity did not come from “Adam and Eve” {if not Created by God}; then just HOW did humanity come into existence? Please read on.

Their names many have been Sam and Gloria; but the story not only is true; but both logically and morally, it HAS to be true, or we {humanity} would not be here to talk about it. There are however some critically important How’s & Why’s to be answered.

Genesis 1: 26-27[26] And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth. [27] And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.


1 We are taught in the above passages that humanity {alone and exclusively}, were created in the very image of our GOD! BUT John 4: 23-24 tells us that GOD is a “Spirit.” Jn. 4:23-24 . [23]But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeketh such to adore him. [24] God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth.”

So how then does man {humanity}, physical and mortal emulate GOD who is a Spirit and immortal?

The Universe that God Created {a term with a definition of: “to make something out of nothing”, consist of BILLIONS of stars, galaxies and planets. Yet only one of them; Planet Earth can be scientifically proved to be able to sustain life forms.

Planet earth, with its many MILLIONS of living things has only one; only one thing that is Rational; humanity. Now to be “rational” requires a mind {not meaning our brain here}, an intellect {not meaning ones “I.Q” here}, and a Freewill. Each of these similar to God are “spiritual realities.” They also like God are immortal {cannot be killed, & never die ...Jesus died in his human nature.}

Now lets go back to see how we are told that GOD “created” the universe:

Genesis 1: 3, 9 [3] And God said: Be light made. And light was made; . [9] God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven, be gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear. And it was so done.”

These two passages teach us that God “Willed” the universe into existence; and did not physically do it. Thus the “Seven day’s” could have been seven seconds, 7 months, 7 years, or 7,000 years??? We don’t know; no one was there to record it. Nor is this fact important. However a side note here:

Numbers in the Bible have a sorta life of their own and have teaching meanings beyond the numerical understanding that WE have today. The number “7” for example means: “full, complete and perfect.” AND THAT is the significance of the “seven days.” It was “perfect.” Gen. 1: 31[31] And God saw all the things that he had made, and they were very good. And the evening and morning were the sixth day.”

Let’s now see how this differs from what GOD choose to do in Creating humanity.

Genesis 2: 6-7 [6] “But a spring rose out of the earth, watering all the surface of the earth. [7] And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul. “


In the entire universe; humanity is the ONLY THING: that is {1] made out of something & [2] has a “living {immortal} Soul. {**}

For our discussion a “soul” is that which animates Life in all living things. Just as there is a hierarchy of merit in the animal kingdom; so to there is a hierarchy of merit and complexity in “souls.” Humanities Soul is exclusively Rational and immortal in emulation of the GOD that Created and the God that sustains our lives; It is God who grants life, and it is God who takes and demands Life back; both on His terms.

Genesis 3: 19[19] In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou wast taken: for dust thou art, and into dust thou shalt return. {This after the Fall of Adam & Eve {or whatever their name was.}

Briefly the lessons of the Fall of Adam though Eve can be summed up in the expression that this is a story of “Love failed.”

FACTS:

[1] God choose to create Adam first, not making Adam {man} superior; BUT making Adam {man} nevertheless responsible for Eve’s {womans} wellbeing and care. Gen. 2: 21-25

By God’s design: men were to take care and provide for the women in their lives; thus Adam was charged by God to protect Eve. … Being 74 I recall when this was the NORM here in America.

The garden had a single gate:

Adam was the “Gate Keeper” Gen. 2: 15 of the single point of entry {and READ: Mt. 7:12-15}, so it was his responsibility to allow no evil access into it.

[2] BEFORE THE FALL: the “Garden of Eden;” “the paradise of pleasure” Gen. 2:8} It was GODS intent to grant humanity a literally “perfect” existence with not one single “want” missing {***}. There was to be no sickness or death, work was a pleasure not a point of strife; and there were zillions of fruit trees always in season; as God foresaw every real need and provided for it.

[3] For the record: “the serpent” according to modern exergies was very likely not a “snake.” Rather is was some hideous MONSTER!

WHY and HOW do they make this conclusion?

Gen. 2: 19 tells us that: “[19] And the Lord God having formed out of the ground all the beasts of the earth, and all the fowls of the air, {each and every one with a mortal soul} brought them to Adam to see what he would call them: for whatsoever Adam called any living creature the same is its name.”

So Adam having named all of God’s “creatures” would have been “LORD” over them: Gen. 1: [28] And God blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and all living creatures that move upon the earth

[4] Then the “Failed Love”

Adam had insufficient trust in God: LOVE FAILED

Adam did not protect either Eve or the Gardens gate: LOVE FAILED

Adam permitted the evil Monster entrance into the Garden: LOVE FAILED

Adam did not even try to prevent Even from eating the “apple” {WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN ANY KIND OF FRUITTREE} OF WHICH THERE WERE ZILLIONS JUST LIKE IT IN THE GARDEN, SO THIS WAS A TEST BY GOD: LOVE FAILED

Adam could have refused the forbidden fruit offered to him by Eve: LOVE FAILED

Now go back and replace the word love with the word FAITH. Despite superabundant grace offered to Adam to help him to “man-up”; Adan declined God’s offer of grace and THAT was the ORIGIBAL SIN! Not trusting God.

WHY did Adam do this?

Likely Fear of what the Monster would do to HIM {not them} was a factor; but even more importantly; the Monster sold them on the same sin HE failed God with: that being wanting to be exactly LIKE GOD:

Genesis 3: 1-5[1] now the serpent was more subtle than any of the beasts of the earth which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman: Why hath God commanded you that you should not eat of every tree of paradise? [2] And the woman answered him, saying: Of the fruit of the trees that are in paradise we do eat: [3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of paradise, God hath commanded us that we should not eat; and that we should not touch it, lest perhaps we die. [4] And the serpent said to the woman: No, you shall not die the death [5] For God doth know that in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil”

Verse #4 here is speaking of Eternal Hell, which Satan himself caused by the same sin, and was living in.

End Pt 2 of 9

God's Peace,
Patrick
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Pt 2 of 9

Point #[2] Adam and Eve {Here my new friend here it seems to me that your attempting to “walk on water.” That is to have your views supersede and override God’s.

Answer this question:

If humanity did not come from “Adam and Eve” {if not Created by God}; then just HOW did humanity come into existence? Please read on.

Their names many have been Sam and Gloria; but the story not only is true; but both logically and morally, it HAS to be true, or we {humanity} would not be here to talk about it. There are however some critically important How’s & Why’s to be answered.

Genesis 1: 26-27[26] And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth. [27] And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.


1 We are taught in the above passages that humanity {alone and exclusively}, were created in the very image of our GOD! BUT John 4: 23-24 tells us that GOD is a “Spirit.” Jn. 4:23-24 . [23]But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeketh such to adore him. [24] God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth.”

So how then does man {humanity}, physical and mortal emulate GOD who is a Spirit and immortal?

The Universe that God Created {a term with a definition of: “to make something out of nothing”, consist of BILLIONS of stars, galaxies and planets. Yet only one of them; Planet Earth can be scientifically proved to be able to sustain life forms.

Planet earth, with its many MILLIONS of living things has only one; only one thing that is Rational; humanity. Now to be “rational” requires a mind {not meaning our brain here}, an intellect {not meaning ones “I.Q” here}, and a Freewill. Each of these similar to God are “spiritual realities.” They also like God are immortal {cannot be killed, & never die ...Jesus died in his human nature.}

Now lets go back to see how we are told that GOD “created” the universe:

Genesis 1: 3, 9 [3] And God said: Be light made. And light was made; . [9] God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven, be gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear. And it was so done.”

These two passages teach us that God “Willed” the universe into existence; and did not physically do it. Thus the “Seven day’s” could have been seven seconds, 7 months, 7 years, or 7,000 years??? We don’t know; no one was there to record it. Nor is this fact important. However a side note here:

Numbers in the Bible have a sorta life of their own and have teaching meanings beyond the numerical understanding that WE have today. The number “7” for example means: “full, complete and perfect.” AND THAT is the significance of the “seven days.” It was “perfect.” Gen. 1: 31[31] And God saw all the things that he had made, and they were very good. And the evening and morning were the sixth day.”

Let’s now see how this differs from what GOD choose to do in Creating humanity.

Genesis 2: 6-7 [6] “But a spring rose out of the earth, watering all the surface of the earth. [7] And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul. “


In the entire universe; humanity is the ONLY THING: that is {1] made out of something & [2] has a “living {immortal} Soul. {**}

For our discussion a “soul” is that which animates Life in all living things. Just as there is a hierarchy of merit in the animal kingdom; so to there is a hierarchy of merit and complexity in “souls.” Humanities Soul is exclusively Rational and immortal in emulation of the GOD that Created and the God that sustains our lives; It is God who grants life, and it is God who takes and demands Life back; both on His terms.

Genesis 3: 19[19] In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou wast taken: for dust thou art, and into dust thou shalt return. {This after the Fall of Adam & Eve {or whatever their name was.}

Briefly the lessons of the Fall of Adam though Eve can be summed up in the expression that this is a story of “Love failed.”

FACTS:

[1] God choose to create Adam first, not making Adam {man} superior; BUT making Adam {man} nevertheless responsible for Eve’s {womans} wellbeing and care. Gen. 2: 21-25

By God’s design: men were to take care and provide for the women in their lives; thus Adam was charged by God to protect Eve. … Being 74 I recall when this was the NORM here in America.

The garden had a single gate:

Adam was the “Gate Keeper” Gen. 2: 15 of the single point of entry {and READ: Mt. 7:12-15}, so it was his responsibility to allow no evil access into it.

[2] BEFORE THE FALL: the “Garden of Eden;” “the paradise of pleasure” Gen. 2:8} It was GODS intent to grant humanity a literally “perfect” existence with not one single “want” missing {***}. There was to be no sickness or death, work was a pleasure not a point of strife; and there were zillions of fruit trees always in season; as God foresaw every real need and provided for it.

[3] For the record: “the serpent” according to modern exergies was very likely not a “snake.” Rather is was some hideous MONSTER!

WHY and HOW do they make this conclusion?

Gen. 2: 19 tells us that: “[19] And the Lord God having formed out of the ground all the beasts of the earth, and all the fowls of the air, {each and every one with a mortal soul} brought them to Adam to see what he would call them: for whatsoever Adam called any living creature the same is its name.”

So Adam having named all of God’s “creatures” would have been “LORD” over them: Gen. 1: [28] And God blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and all living creatures that move upon the earth

[4] Then the “Failed Love”

Adam had insufficient trust in God: LOVE FAILED

Adam did not protect either Eve or the Gardens gate: LOVE FAILED

Adam permitted the evil Monster entrance into the Garden: LOVE FAILED

Adam did not even try to prevent Even from eating the “apple” {WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN ANY KIND OF FRUITTREE} OF WHICH THERE WERE ZILLIONS JUST LIKE IT IN THE GARDEN, SO THIS WAS A TEST BY GOD: LOVE FAILED

Adam could have refused the forbidden fruit offered to him by Eve: LOVE FAILED

Now go back and replace the word love with the word FAITH. Despite superabundant grace offered to Adam to help him to “man-up”; Adan declined God’s offer of grace and THAT was the ORIGIBAL SIN! Not trusting God.

WHY did Adam do this?

Likely Fear of what the Monster would do to HIM {not them} was a factor; but even more importantly; the Monster sold them on the same sin HE failed God with: that being wanting to be exactly LIKE GOD:

Genesis 3: 1-5[1] now the serpent was more subtle than any of the beasts of the earth which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman: Why hath God commanded you that you should not eat of every tree of paradise? [2] And the woman answered him, saying: Of the fruit of the trees that are in paradise we do eat: [3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of paradise, God hath commanded us that we should not eat; and that we should not touch it, lest perhaps we die. [4] And the serpent said to the woman: No, you shall not die the death [5] For God doth know that in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil”

Verse #4 here is speaking of Eternal Hell, which Satan himself caused by the same sin, and was living in.

End Pt 2 of 9

God's Peace,
Patrick

My simple answer is if you believe in the sacraments of christ and the authority of the bible, youre christian. Those things dont sound like a threat to your salvation.
 

Patrick Miron

Patrick4Jesus
My simple answer is if you believe in the sacraments of christ and the authority of the bible, youre christian. Those things dont sound like a threat to your salvation.

Thank you,

So a question for you: will a partial truth get YOU to heaven?

Thanks for posting!
Patrick
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Pt 2 of 9

Point #[2] Adam and Eve {Here my new friend here it seems to me that your attempting to “walk on water.” That is to have your views supersede and override God’s.

Answer this question:

If humanity did not come from “Adam and Eve” {if not Created by God}; then just HOW did humanity come into existence? Please read on.

Their names many have been Sam and Gloria; but the story not only is true; but both logically and morally, it HAS to be true, or we {humanity} would not be here to talk about it. There are however some critically important How’s & Why’s to be answered.

Genesis 1: 26-27[26] And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth. [27] And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.


1 We are taught in the above passages that humanity {alone and exclusively}, were created in the very image of our GOD! BUT John 4: 23-24 tells us that GOD is a “Spirit.” Jn. 4:23-24 . [23]But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeketh such to adore him. [24] God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth.”

So how then does man {humanity}, physical and mortal emulate GOD who is a Spirit and immortal?

The Universe that God Created {a term with a definition of: “to make something out of nothing”, consist of BILLIONS of stars, galaxies and planets. Yet only one of them; Planet Earth can be scientifically proved to be able to sustain life forms.

Planet earth, with its many MILLIONS of living things has only one; only one thing that is Rational; humanity. Now to be “rational” requires a mind {not meaning our brain here}, an intellect {not meaning ones “I.Q” here}, and a Freewill. Each of these similar to God are “spiritual realities.” They also like God are immortal {cannot be killed, & never die ...Jesus died in his human nature.}

Now lets go back to see how we are told that GOD “created” the universe:

Genesis 1: 3, 9 [3] And God said: Be light made. And light was made; . [9] God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven, be gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear. And it was so done.”

These two passages teach us that God “Willed” the universe into existence; and did not physically do it. Thus the “Seven day’s” could have been seven seconds, 7 months, 7 years, or 7,000 years??? We don’t know; no one was there to record it. Nor is this fact important. However a side note here:

Numbers in the Bible have a sorta life of their own and have teaching meanings beyond the numerical understanding that WE have today. The number “7” for example means: “full, complete and perfect.” AND THAT is the significance of the “seven days.” It was “perfect.” Gen. 1: 31[31] And God saw all the things that he had made, and they were very good. And the evening and morning were the sixth day.”

Let’s now see how this differs from what GOD choose to do in Creating humanity.

Genesis 2: 6-7 [6] “But a spring rose out of the earth, watering all the surface of the earth. [7] And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul. “


In the entire universe; humanity is the ONLY THING: that is {1] made out of something & [2] has a “living {immortal} Soul. {**}

For our discussion a “soul” is that which animates Life in all living things. Just as there is a hierarchy of merit in the animal kingdom; so to there is a hierarchy of merit and complexity in “souls.” Humanities Soul is exclusively Rational and immortal in emulation of the GOD that Created and the God that sustains our lives; It is God who grants life, and it is God who takes and demands Life back; both on His terms.

Genesis 3: 19[19] In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou wast taken: for dust thou art, and into dust thou shalt return. {This after the Fall of Adam & Eve {or whatever their name was.}

Briefly the lessons of the Fall of Adam though Eve can be summed up in the expression that this is a story of “Love failed.”

FACTS:

[1] God choose to create Adam first, not making Adam {man} superior; BUT making Adam {man} nevertheless responsible for Eve’s {womans} wellbeing and care. Gen. 2: 21-25

By God’s design: men were to take care and provide for the women in their lives; thus Adam was charged by God to protect Eve. … Being 74 I recall when this was the NORM here in America.

The garden had a single gate:

Adam was the “Gate Keeper” Gen. 2: 15 of the single point of entry {and READ: Mt. 7:12-15}, so it was his responsibility to allow no evil access into it.

[2] BEFORE THE FALL: the “Garden of Eden;” “the paradise of pleasure” Gen. 2:8} It was GODS intent to grant humanity a literally “perfect” existence with not one single “want” missing {***}. There was to be no sickness or death, work was a pleasure not a point of strife; and there were zillions of fruit trees always in season; as God foresaw every real need and provided for it.

[3] For the record: “the serpent” according to modern exergies was very likely not a “snake.” Rather is was some hideous MONSTER!

WHY and HOW do they make this conclusion?

Gen. 2: 19 tells us that: “[19] And the Lord God having formed out of the ground all the beasts of the earth, and all the fowls of the air, {each and every one with a mortal soul} brought them to Adam to see what he would call them: for whatsoever Adam called any living creature the same is its name.”

So Adam having named all of God’s “creatures” would have been “LORD” over them: Gen. 1: [28] And God blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and all living creatures that move upon the earth

[4] Then the “Failed Love”

Adam had insufficient trust in God: LOVE FAILED

Adam did not protect either Eve or the Gardens gate: LOVE FAILED

Adam permitted the evil Monster entrance into the Garden: LOVE FAILED

Adam did not even try to prevent Even from eating the “apple” {WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN ANY KIND OF FRUITTREE} OF WHICH THERE WERE ZILLIONS JUST LIKE IT IN THE GARDEN, SO THIS WAS A TEST BY GOD: LOVE FAILED

Adam could have refused the forbidden fruit offered to him by Eve: LOVE FAILED

Now go back and replace the word love with the word FAITH. Despite superabundant grace offered to Adam to help him to “man-up”; Adan declined God’s offer of grace and THAT was the ORIGIBAL SIN! Not trusting God.

WHY did Adam do this?

Likely Fear of what the Monster would do to HIM {not them} was a factor; but even more importantly; the Monster sold them on the same sin HE failed God with: that being wanting to be exactly LIKE GOD:

Genesis 3: 1-5[1] now the serpent was more subtle than any of the beasts of the earth which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman: Why hath God commanded you that you should not eat of every tree of paradise? [2] And the woman answered him, saying: Of the fruit of the trees that are in paradise we do eat: [3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of paradise, God hath commanded us that we should not eat; and that we should not touch it, lest perhaps we die. [4] And the serpent said to the woman: No, you shall not die the death [5] For God doth know that in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil”

Verse #4 here is speaking of Eternal Hell, which Satan himself caused by the same sin, and was living in.

End Pt 2 of 9

God's Peace,
Patrick
Looks Christian to me, I think those who would call you unchristian are just upset that you don’t adhere to their interpretation of the Bible.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Thank you,

So a question for you: will a partial truth get YOU to heaven?

Thanks for posting!
Patrick

What gets you to heaven from what I know is believing christ saved you from your sins and putting all your faith in him. Some people believe in god without even attempting to describe heaven. Others say its a union with god. Some say its a place and others say its a new life on a near earth as how it was supposed to be before the fall.

Christianity (whats in the bible) isnt harsh. No lightening bolt will come through the sky and electrocute you just because you dont believe in the literal conecpts of adam and eve.

I mean, some people are indoctrinated to believe if they do something wrong god will some how punish them in this life. Ive been chritian four years, off and on earlier in life because of interest in religion, and Im still standing.

But, yeah. If you have a change of heart (baptism), worship with like believers as a body (communion), and repent your sins to ask for forgiveness (confession)

I think you got it made
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
What gets you to heaven from what I know is believing christ saved you from your sins and putting all your faith in him. Some people believe in god without even attempting to describe heaven. Others say its a union with god. Some say its a place and others say its a new life on a near earth as how it was supposed to be before the fall.

I find those called to heaven are called by God to be Jesus' ' brothers ' such as those of Matthew 25:40.
Whereas, the figurative ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:37 are Not called to heaven, but to remain here on Earth.
Who do Not remain are the wicked as per Proverbs 2:21-22; Psalms 92:7.
The humble meek people inherit the Earth as Jesus promised from Psalms 37:9-11.
Not a ' near Earth ' but a cleansed Earth as mentioned at Revelation 22:2 when there will be healing for earth's nations. All this in fulfillment to God's promise to father Abraham that ALL families of Earth will be blessed, and that ALL nations of Earth will be blessed. Blessed with the benefit of healing as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.
This is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come !.
Come and bring healing benefits to earthly subjects of God's kingdom as per Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I find those called to heaven are called by God to be Jesus' ' brothers ' such as those of Matthew 25:40.
Whereas, the figurative ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:37 are Not called to heaven, but to remain here on Earth.
Who do Not remain are the wicked as per Proverbs 2:21-22; Psalms 92:7.
The humble meek people inherit the Earth as Jesus promised from Psalms 37:9-11.
Not a ' near Earth ' but a cleansed Earth as mentioned at Revelation 22:2 when there will be healing for earth's nations. All this in fulfillment to God's promise to father Abraham that ALL families of Earth will be blessed, and that ALL nations of Earth will be blessed. Blessed with the benefit of healing as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.
This is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come !.
Come and bring healing benefits to earthly subjects of God's kingdom as per Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14.

Can I ask. Why the scriptures? It really distorts what you are saying. Maybe list them the bottom?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
True, the Scripture is completely different from what they are trying to say.

Note that some of these groups have a "bible", that is different, or, use different definitions for words.

Keep in mind that some of these groups were started in a time that may have been less receptive, to say, an openly satanic church, like the atheistic satanic movement, which started later.

Quoting scripture on screen really distorts visually what he is trying to say. It irritates my eyes.

I dont see life that way, though. If you guys believe christ saved you and the basics, would a persons salvation be questioned on whether he (and you) interpret the english bible correctly?
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Answer this question:

If humanity did not come from “Adam and Eve” {if not Created by God}; then just HOW did humanity come into existence? Please read on.

Their names many have been Sam and Gloria; but the story not only is true; but both logically and morally, it HAS to be true, or we {humanity} would not be here to talk about it. There are however some critically important How’s & Why’s to be answered.

Genesis 1: 26-27[26] And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth. [27] And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.


1 We are taught in the above passages that humanity {alone and exclusively}, were created in the very image of our GOD! BUT John 4: 23-24 tells us that GOD is a “Spirit.” Jn. 4:23-24 . [23]But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeketh such to adore him. [24] God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth.”
Worshipping
God in spirit and truth, means the worship is real. It isn't saying that God has no form.
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
No, but is that what I meant? Is that what I was saying?
That isn't what was the intent of meaning...

No. Thats what I said. I try not to rephrase peoples posts when I reply.

I was saying quoting back to back distorts visually what he is trying to say. I dont share your perspective of other peoples religious views such as comparing them to satanic churches and atheist satanic movement. (where are you from? I never heard of such a thing offline.)
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I wrote atheistic satanic churches, not theistic satanism. Context. Theistic satanism is traditional satanism, before the atheistic satanic church, or churches.

I dont know what any of that means.

I just dont share your perspective of other christians beliefs. I never heard of real vs fake christians (my words). Each christian, yourself included, have their own version of christs teachings.

If you want to be one body, support each other not point out their faults only god knows they have.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
That isn't my perspective. There aren't 'other' christian beliefs if the theology etc etc is wrong.
Those are other churches, groups.
Many do not even call their denomination christian, why are you calling every group christian?
You aren't theistic
John 3:36
Mark 4:12
1 Thessalonians 5:2-4
Romans 6:6

Hail our God and the Abba beside Him.
Shalommi Moshiacha shalomm.

You are no different. That is the underlining message.

Can you describe to me how your view of christ teachings are true and other peoples are false? (not true teachings)

What criteria do I look for when decerning if you are telling the truth and another christian has not?

Ive read scripture; thats not enough.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I disagree. If you read Scripture perhaps without messing up word meanings, it should be enough.

Thats what all christians say. Some more verbose and others keep it to themselves.

What can you tell me that I have not heard before about the christian faith as truth?

(I live with christians in my immediate environment. Christians local. In a christian state. In a christian country)

How is your view more true than a christian who disagrees with you after studying the bible and fluent in its languages?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
How would know, if I told you?

That is where you are making a mistake. You have to figure that out, for yourself, since you aren't really asking me that.

In other words, doesn't matter if I tell you how to discern anything.

But the question is pointed to you, not me. I have my own experiences and my own conclusions. Its not a personal question.

If you are telling the truth, how would I know?

I mean, you can say people have the wrong interpretation of the bible all day long, but if you both are fussing over interpretations, who in the world is supposed to be right?

Remember. It cant be me. If god speaks the truth, its not subject to interpretation.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
If you believe in Jesus and follow his teachings. IMO your a Christian. Who am I to tell you different. That other stuff is just fun for discussion.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I understand what you're saying, it just isn't as correct as you think it is. I'm not interested in "theoretically arguing", with my own beliefs.

Im just asking you how are your interpretations (and experiences) more real than the person beside you.

If gods message is static, then his message should not be open to interpretation.
 

Patrick Miron

Patrick4Jesus
Worshipping
God in spirit and truth, means the worship is real. It isn't saying that God has no form.

While NOT disagreeing allow me to ask YOU, how would you reconcile these two seemingly contradictions?

Gen. 1:26-27 [26] And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth. [27] And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them"

And John 4: 23-24 "[23]But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeketh such to adore him. [24] God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth."

To be clear:
Man is mortal and physical
God is immortal and SPIRIT

How does one reconcile the two?

Patrick
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
While NOT disagreeing allow me to ask YOU, how would you reconcile these two seemingly contradictions?

Gen. 1:26-27 [26] And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth. [27] And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them"

And John 4: 23-24 "[23]But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeketh such to adore him. [24] God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth."

To be clear:
Man is mortal and physical
God is immortal and SPIRIT

How does one reconcile the two?

Patrick
The book of John presents a few of these verses, that are somewhat dificult to interpret.
What we know is how we can't interpret these verses , without contradiction, to other Scripture.
Hence, John either cannot mean, a necessarily formless god, or, he is wrong, and we have to default to inferences made by the God Himself, Jesus the most High. Which means, John must mean, in Spirit by our perception, but not necessarily formless.
There are a few other verses in Scripture that present this problem , I have used them for thread subjects and examples of what has to be justified without textual contradiction.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Can I ask. Why the scriptures? It really distorts what you are saying. Maybe list them the bottom?

If I post them at the bottom then how would the verse or verses connect to the sentence.
I wonder how you would say that you find at ' such and such verse ' that this is to what you are referring.
If I do use just one reference then, yes I can agree to list it at the bottom.
Anyway, thank you for your input.
 
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