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Featured "Am I a Christian" REPLY pt 2 of 9

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Patrick Miron, Jul 20, 2018.

  1. URAVIP2ME

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    I find since the pre-human Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God as per Revelation 3:14, the the 'us' and 'our' image and likeness is referring to God and His heavenly Son Jesus before God sent Jesus to Earth for us.
    Since they are spirits then the ' image and likeness ' is spiritual qualities such as: love, justice, wisdom and mercy.
    We are to cultivate such 'spiritual qualities' as listed at Galatians 5:22-23.

    So, after God created the spirit angelic realm, then God expanded His creation business to include the physical.
    Adam (man) is mortal and physical. Like mortal Adam we mortals are offered everlasting life "IF" we obey God.
    God is immortal and Spirit.
    God granted faithful Jesus immortality as per John 5:26.
    So, in other words, at first only God was immortal as per Psalms 90:2.
    That shows that when Jesus spoke about ' eternal life' or ' everlasting life ' that could include both heavenly spirit life and earthly physical life. Earthly physical life for mortal humble meek people who will inherit the Earth once the wicked are gone as per Proverbs 2:21-22; Psalms 37:9-11; Psalms 92:7.
     
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    To me ' more real ' would mean solely based on the first-century teachings of Jesus as found in Scripture.
    Many use their church customs, or church traditions, which many are outside of the teachings of Jesus but they teach them as if they are the first-century teachings of Jesus although Not found in Scripture.
    I find Jesus taught that Scripture is religious truth at John 17:17.
    So, if there is Not the cross-reference verses and passages as found in Scripture, then those beliefs are Not scriptural.
     
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    I find 'in the way that Jesus taught' that people knew Jesus was telling religious truth because Jesus based his teachings on Scriptures that the people already had accepted as religious truth.
    When Jesus said, " it is written...." Jesus was using parallel reference verses to passages in the old Hebrew Scriptures as the basis for his beliefs. In other words, Jesus used existing Scripture explaining them for us.
    That way we can see the internal harmony among the many Bible writers.

    Today we have access to a comprehensive concordance and since the Bible is Not written ABC as a dictionary is, then the concordance puts Bible topics, or Bible subjects, in ABC order for us as a quick reference to verses.
    One example is when Jesus promised that humble meek people will inherit the Earth.
    That was Not a new idea but Jesus was simply referencing to Psalms 37:9-11 that the meek will inherit the Earth.
     
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    I find that although many know the words to the model prayer for God's kingdom to come, (thy kingdom come), many equate that to heaven. However, we are Not taught to pray to 'go away to the kingdom', nor pray 'to be taken away' to the kingdom but rather to pray for God's kingdom to come. Come, and God's will (purpose) be done right here on Earth as it is in Heaven.
    God's will/purpose for heaven is only good things like No crime, violence, war, sickness and No one dies in Heaven, so we are praying for those same good healthy heavenly conditions to exist here on Earth.

    When we read the morning news we read about the 'bad' news of men's kingdoms or governments.
    When we read the Bible we read about the ' good ' news of God's kingdom or government of Daniel 2:44.
    So, why pray for 'God's kingdom to come' is that Jesus is King of God's kingdom and as King and Prince of Peace, it is Jesus who will establish global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill, whereas I find most ' christians ' are so-called Christians and only think of a heavenly hope instead of a real hope for Earth even though 1 Corinthians 15:24-26 lets us know that the time is coming when ' enemy death ' will be No more here on Earth.
     
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    Jesus too I find had his own version of God's teachings. Jesus taught God's Word (Scripture) is religious truth.
    I am wondering if the genuine 'wheat ' Christians are the same as the fake ' weed/tares ' Christians _______
    Since Jesus said MANY would ' come in his name ' but prove false as per Matthew 7:21-23 then how can there Not be the real v/s fake _______
     
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    Im not fond of heiarchy and authority points of view. So, if you dont answer, please say you dont want to.

    What makes what you believe about christ more scriptural than the person beside you?

    Ive heard and read scripture and talked with I dont now how many christians during my life time and I hear the same thing. Thta is why experiencal conversations work bettert han quoting scrpture. Each persons experience is unique and cant be interpreted from an outside party; aka, no one can interpert your expriences with christ but we can the bible. So, the latter, I skip unless I want to study it or we are discussing scriptural meanings. Beyond that, I go with what I know.
     
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    Good point. If it were an english paper Id say cite it within the post so I can see which sentence go with which citation.

    I dont know if you do that naturaly when you talk about scripture. I believe you. I have no reason to double check the accuracy of your own faith. Christians do that with each other all the time. Only you know your own interpretation of scrptures. My reading it doesnt make me see through your eyes. Maybe Paul, Peter,and John but not yours and not jesus'
     
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    Now let me confess that I know the answer;

    Gen 1: 26-27 [26] And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth. [27] And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them"

    Anther part of the mystery is exposed in Gen 2: 6-7 "[6] But a spring rose out of the earth, watering all the surface of the earth. [7] And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

    Then we come back to Jn. 4: 23-24 " [23]But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeketh such to adore him. [24] God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth.

    Humanity {exclusively & alone} HAS a “Living Soul” WHY and WHAT does that necessarily mean? A living souls has to mean that similar to God; it too is immortal. But is that the “Rest of the Story”? NO, but it does beg the question” WHY?” And the answer is that man, similar to God is also rational. The qualities needed for this attribute are a mind {not meaning the brain}; an intellect {not meaning one’s I.Q.}, and a freewill. … Each of these attributes also similar to God are “Spiritual Realities”. If you doubt this try to quantify your “freewill.” What is its size, color and weight? Can’t be done yet it exist. So again, similar to God WE have a “spiritual reality too!”

    This then prompts the question of WHY they exist. …Because Life is a “GOD-TEST.” We are all given at least sufficient grace that we can, could and should know God exist. Indeed the entire Universe exist for this precise purpose.

    Once we accept that God exist we are obligated and compelled to know Him, and once we know Him we must then freely choose to love, serve and fully obey Him. … One’s salvation depends on how fully, and how well we accomplish our reason to even exist. It is our immortal and Living {RATIONAL} Soul that will spend Eternity in the location of our rational-souls choice.

    Isaiah 43:7 & 21[7]” And every one that calleth upon my name, I have created him for my glory, I have formed him, and made him. & 21] This people have I formed for myself, they shall shew forth my praise.”

    What an amazing GOD we have!

    Glory and Praise to you Lord Jesus Christ; now and forever!

    Patrick
     
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    I'd like to address the highlighted part of your very perceptive question.

    NO they are neither the same nor in any manner equal. How can I be so sure? Because any legitimate definition of TRUTH expresses for truth to be TRUE it has to relate to reality. In other words there can only be one truth per defined issue. Nothing else is logical or even a real possibility.

    THE ISSUE IS Christianity

    The question is are they "ALL equal?"

    No:
    "There cannot be your truth and my truth, or there would be NO truth" is indisputable.

    The Bible; Yahweh in the OT and Jesus in the NT without exception taught and mean to teach that in TRUTH; there is and CAN BE only ONE:

    One True God {the 1st Commandment

    Even GOD can only have One True set of Faith beliefs Eph 4:5

    And just as Yahweh had just One "Chosen people" Exo. 6:7; so to Jesus has just One True Church(**) Mt, 16:18 "MY Church", Eph. 4: 4, Mt. 28-18-20; & John 17:17-20

    THAT ONE TRUE CHURCH IS AND REMAINS TODAY'S ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH WHO AFTER 2,000 YEARS STILL HAS BUT ONE SET OF FAITH BELIEFS.

    (**P} "CHURCHES: each church is self identified by ITS OWN freely chosen SET of faith beliefs. The number of Protestant churches EACH with its OWN set of faith beliefs in in the thousandth. ... HOW can this be; TRUTH; God's TRUTH has to be; can only be singular per defined issue. .... To claim that all of them are equal is duplicitous; impossible and insane; it just can't be!

    Biblically and historically only the RCC can be proven to be the One True Chruch and Faith desired, founded and protected by God.

    Thank you for asking,
    God Bless you,
    Patrick
     
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    I find biblical hell is mankind's stone-cold grave.
    Can anyone think of someone righteous who went to biblical hell _______
    On the day dead righteous Jesus died Jesus went to hell as per Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
    At John 11:11-14 Jesus taught the dead are in an unconscious sleep-like state.
    Jesus being well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures would know Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4 that the dead sleep.
    And Jesus would have known what King Solomon wrote at Ecclesiastes 9:5 that the dead know nothing.
    So, there is No pain in biblical hell, there is No biblical purgatory.
     
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    "Sleep" biblically is very often metaphorical for Eternal damnation such as in 1 Cot. 11:30

    If as you suggest that there is no pain in hell; WHY does it even exist? So sin is to have NO consequences? Hmmmmmm

    As for Purgatory; you'll find it in the Bible right next to the term "bible."
     
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    Please post which Purgatory verses you have in mind.
    Yes, I can agree with 1 Corinthians 11:30 that many ' sleep ' in death.
    The 'people who died' are the ones who 'sleep in death' as did Jesus' dead friend at John 11:11-14.
    Sin is the reason that biblical hell exists.
    If Adam had Not broken God's Law, then Adam would be alive on Earth with us today.
    I find at Genesis 3:19 that sinner Adam ' returned ' to the ground when he died.
    There was No post-mortem penalty for Adam, but just going back or retuning to where he started.
    A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.
    Biblical hell exists because biblical hell is mankind's grave for the sleeping dead.
    Revelation 1:18 lets us know Jesus has the keys to hell and death.
    Via resurrection Jesus will empty out biblical hell, the grave.
    Emptied-out hell, according to Revelation 20:13-14, is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell.
     
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    PART B REPLY
    [7] There was No post-mortem penalty for Adam, but just going back or retuning to where he started.

    WE DON’T KNOW THAT.

    What we DO know is that God Created humanity with a living Soul: Gen. 2:6-7 {this means an immortal SOUL” 6] But a spring rose out of the earth, watering all the surface of the earth. [7] And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul. “ ….It is the human Soul with its Rational attributes that enter into Eternity in either Heaven; Purgatory AND THEN heaven or eternal Hell.

    There are tow Judgments:

    The “Immediate” which takes place the instant of our mortal death

    The Final Judgment at the End Times where our then made Perfect bodies will be reunited with our Souls in o=heaven or HELL Forever.

    BTW: Numbers in the bible commonly do reflect our current understanding of them; check out this site for further details.

    http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/The Significance of Numbers in Scripture.htm

    [8] A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.

    This is “true”; however a “persons SOUL”; OUR “OTHER SELF” CAN in a sense prolong US infinitely as is was CREATED to do, and DOES return to a place it has NEVER been before.

    [9] Biblical hell exists because biblical hell is mankind's grave for the sleeping dead.





    [10] Revelation 1:18 lets us know Jesus has the keys to hell and death.
    Via resurrection Jesus will empty out biblical hell, the grave.

    HAYDOCK’s Bible Commentary on veses 17 & 18 “Verse 17

    I am the first and the last. These are the words of the Son of man, or of him that represented our Saviour, Christ, to St. John. To be the first and the last, is another expression agreeing only to him who is the true God, as it is divers times applied by the prophet Isaias. (Witham) --- From the 12th verse to this place we have a description of the Son of man, i.e. Christ. The different emblematical descriptions of his countenance, his dress, &c. are similar to what are used by other prophets, and easily explained of his attributes, his eternity, vengeance, &c. &c. (Omnes passim.) END QUOTES



    Verse 18

    And alive, and was dead; always living as God, and as man was dead, died on the cross for the salvation of all men, rose again, triumphed over hell, death, and sin, and am living for ever and ever, and have the keys of death and of hell, power over all, all things being made subject to me, even as man, or as God and man. (Witham) END QUOTES

    No my friend; you misunderstand the teaching.

    God can be briefly but accurately defined as “ALL GOOD THINGS PERFECTED”; then we ask: ARE Being Good and fair: “GOOD THINGS?”…. Of course they are and hence we can, should and could know that in an absolute sense {without exceptions}, God in order to BE GOD MUST, can only {nothing else is possible}, be Fair and Just. … this gets into the very Nature of God as well as the Natures of sin:

    1 John 1: 8-10 “ [8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all iniquity. [10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”

    1 John 16: 15-16 “[16] He that knoweth his brother to sin a sin which is not to death, let him ask, and life shall be given to him, who sinneth not to death. There is a sin unto death: for that I say not that any man ask. [17] All iniquity is sin. And there is a sin unto death

    DOUAY COMMENTARY: verse #16 /17 “[16] "A sin unto death": Some understand this of final impenitence, or of dying in mortal sin; which is the only sin that never can be remitted. But, it is probable, he may also comprise under this name, the sin of apostasy from the faith, and some other such heinous sins as are seldom and hardly remitted: and therefore he gives little encouragement, to such as pray for these sinners, to expect what they ask END QUOTES

    16 "A sin unto death"... Some understand this of final impenitence, or of dying in mortal sin; which is the only sin that never can be remitted. But, it is probable, he may also comprise under this name, the sin of apostasy from the faith, and some other such heinous sins as are seldom and hardly remitted: and therefore he gives little encouragement, to such as pray for these sinners, to expect what they ask. END QUOTES


    [11]Emptied-out hell, according to Revelation 20:13-14, is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell.

    Rev. 20: 13-15[13] And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works. [14] And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death. [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.” END QUOTES

    NO friend; this is speaking of the second; the FINAL Judgment. The release is momentary; NOT permanent. …. Once again we are on the issue of Divine Justice which MUST BE “Fair and Just.” … That act of Divine Judgment can never be overridden; or it would not be a /the “Perfect-Judgment.”

    https://carm.org/hell-eternal

    Following are a few verses that show the eternality of the hell and punishment. God uses different phrases to describe the same thing.

    · "And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power," (2 Thess. 1:9).

    ·

    · "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire" (Jude 7).

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    · These men are those who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; 13wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever," (Jude12-13).

    Is "forever and ever" without end?

    The phrase "forever and ever" is used both of describing God's eternal worth and the duration of eternal damnation. The exact same Greek phrase is used in each of the verses in the table below.



    forever and ever
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    aionas ton aionon
    "ages of the ages"

    Eternal - without end
    "Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen," (1 Tim. 1:17).

    "...To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever," (Rev. 5:13).

    Eternal Damnation
    "And a second time they said, "Hallelujah! Her smoke rises up forever and ever," (Rev. 19:3).

    "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever," (Rev. 20:10).

    The Greek phrase aionas ton aionon, which is translated "forever and ever," occurs 18 times in the Greek New Testament. In 17 of them, the phrase means without end, extending into infinity. In Rev. 19:3, the phrase is used to describe the destruction of the great whore of Babylon (Rev. 17:1,4) whose smoke ascends forever and ever. It too is eternal, and it signifies the beginning of the eternal judgment that comes upon her.

    Also worth examining is Rev. 14:11, "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

    The Greek in Rev. 14:11 is only slightly different. In the table above, "forever and ever" is translated from the Greek, aionas ton aionon, which is literally "ages of the of ages." In Rev. 14:11, the Greek is aionas aionon which is literally, "ages of ages." In the latter, the single Greek word "of the" is missing. But it is not necessary and does not change the meaning of the text. Therefore, the scripture teaches the smoke of their torment goes up forever, without end. END QUOTES

    My friend, I do hope you’ll permit this reply to add to your right education of the End Times, the Bible and Catholicism.

    May God guide our life paths; Sir.15: [17] Before a man are life and death,
    and whichever he chooses will be given to him.” And this does mean ETERNAL life {Heaven} and or; ETERNAL DEATH {Hell}


    Patrick
     
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    I find No where in Genesis does it say Adam was created ' with ' a living soul.
    No where do I read that Adam 'had' a soul.
    No where do I read that Adam 'possessed' a soul.
    Rather at Genesis 2:7 I read that after God breathed the breath of life into lifeless Adam then 'Adam became a living soul'.
    I can't find anywhere where it says Adam was created ' with ' a living soul. Adam was a soul, a person.
    Just as God's ' breath of life ' ( Not a soul of life ) gave Job 33:4 life, so that was true of Adam.
    Adam, according to Deuteronomy 4:32, was created upon the Earth. Adam had No pre-earth existence anywhere.
    Plus, I find at Job 34:15 that all flesh perish together and man turns again to dust. That was true of Adam.
    Adam, according to Genesis 3:19, turned to dust. Adam ' returned ' to dust.
    A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.
    At death Adam became unconscious just as King Solomon wrote at Ecclesiastes 9:5 that the dead know nothing.
    Adam knew nothing before receiving the ' breath of life ' and Adam knew nothing after loosing the breath of life.
    So, it is No wonder that Jesus equated death to sleep at John 11:11-14 which is in harmony with the teachings found at Psalms 115:17 and Psalms 146:4 that the dead are in a sleep-like state.
     
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    Patrick Miron, URAVIP2ME replied to a thread you are watching at Religious Forums.

    "Am I a Christian" REPLY pt 2 of 9



    I find No where in Genesis does it say Adam was created ' with ' a living soul.
    No where do I read that Adam 'had' a soul.

    Here it is for you:

    King James Version

    Genesis 2:6-7

    6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible

    Genesis 2:6-7

    6 But a spring rose out of the earth, watering all the surface of the earth.7 And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul.


    No where do I read that Adam 'possessed' a soul.


    DEFINITION OF SOUL:

    SOUL. “The spiritual immortal part in human beings that animates their body. Though a substance in itself, the soul is naturally ordained toward a body; separated, it is an "incomplete" substance. The soul has no parts, it is therefore simple, but it is not without accidents. The faculties are its proper accidents. Every experience adds to its accidental form. It is individually created for each person by God and infused into the body at the time of human insemination. It is moreover created in respect to the body it will inform, so that the substance of bodily features and of mental characteristics insofar as they depend on organic functions is safeguarded. As a simple and spiritual substance, the soul cannot die. Yet it is not the total human nature, since a human person is composed of body animated by the soul. In philosophy, animals and plants are also said to have souls, which operate as sensitive and vegetative principles of life. Unlike the human spirit, these souls are perishable. The rational soul contains all the powers of the two other souls and is the origin of the sensitive and vegetative functions in the human being.” Enf Quotes Fater Hardon’s Catholic Dictionary


    Webster’s Definition:

    Definition of soul

    1: the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life

    2a : the spiritual principle embodied in human beings, all rational and spiritual beings, or the universe

    b capitalized, Christian Science : god 1b

    3: a person's total self

    4a : an active or essential part

    b : a moving spirit : leader

    5a : the moral and emotional nature of human beings

    b : the quality that arouses emotion and sentiment

    c : spiritual or moral force : fervor End QUOTES

    So the soul is what actually animates LIFE; hence everything living thing has a “soul”. Humanities “Soul” is unique in two ways: [1] it is the ONLY immortal soul on planet earth [2] it is the only rational Soul on planet earth.


    Rather at Genesis 2:7 I read that after God breathed the breath of life into lifeless Adam then 'Adam became a living soul'. I can't find anywhere where it says Adam was created ' with ' a living soul. Adam was a soul, a person.


    Sorry but you completely LOST me here??????? There is a place for common sense in reading the bible. …. READ John 20:30-31 & John 21: 24-25


    Just as God's ' breath of life ' ( Not a soul of life ) gave Job 33:4 life, so that was true of Adam.

    Please READ carefully the definitions provided

    Adam, according to Deuteronomy 4:32, was created upon the Earth. Adam had No pre-earth existence anywhere.

    OK and did I ever proffer such a claim? NO!

    Plus, I find at Job 34:15 that all flesh perish together and man turns again to dust. That was true of Adam.

    AND?

    So friend what faces the Judgments? What chooses eternal hell or heaven?

    Adam, according to Genesis 3:19, turned to dust. Adam ' returned ' to dust.

    A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.

    Indeed true; but a “person’s SOUL”; immortal and rational CAN.

    At death Adam became unconscious just as King Solomon wrote at Ecclesiastes 9:5 that the dead know nothing.

    Adam knew nothing before receiving the ' breath of life ' and Adam knew nothing after loosing the breath of life.

    REALLY, so you’re position is that there is NO “After-life”? How do you affirm that Biblically?

    Jas.2: [24] You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

    Heb.6: 10 “For God is not so unjust as to overlook your work and the love which you showed for his sake in serving the saints, as you still do.”

    Rev.2: 23 “and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches shall know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve.”

    1 Peter 1: 17 “Now if you invoke as Father him who judges impartially according to each one's works, conduct yourselves with reverence during the time of your sojourning, “

    “ Matt.19: 17 “And he said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments."

    Rom.2: 13 “For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.”

    John 3:5 “Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”


    So, it is No wonder that Jesus equated death to sleep at John 11:11-14 which is in harmony with the teachings found at Psalms 115:17 and Psalms 146:4 that the dead are in a sleep-like state.


    Strong’s concordance HEBREW: “sleep”

    3462 yashen yaw-shane' a primitive root; properly, to be slack or languid, i.e. (by implication) sleep (figuratively, to die); also to grow old, stale or inveterate: -old (store), remain long, (make to) sleep

    7290 radam raw-dam' a primitive root; to stun, i.e. stupefy (with sleep or death):--(be fast a-, be in a deep, cast into a dead, that) sleep(-er, -eth)

    1st, Cor. 11:29-30

    [29] For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord. [30] Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you, and many sleep. {In THIS context it means eternal Damnation }

    HAYDOCK”S Commentary verse 30: “sleep”

    Verse 30 Therefore in punishment of the sin of receiving unworthily, many are infirm, visited with infirmities, even that bring death, which is meant by those words, many sleep. But it is a mercy of God, when he only punishes by sickness, or a corporal death, and does not permit us to perish for ever, or be condemned with this wicked world. To avoid this, let a man prove himself, examine the state of his conscience, especially before he receives the holy sacrament, confess his sins, and be absolved by those to whom Christ left the power of forgiving sins in his name, and by his authority. If we judge ourselves in this manner, we shall not be judged, that is, condemned. (Witham)

    Thank you for taking time to respond,

    God Bless you,

    Patrick
     
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    Yes, man ' became a living soul ' after God breathed 'the breath of life' into life-less Adam before that Adam was Not a living soul or person. No where does it say Adam 'came to posses' a soul, Not does it say Adam ' had ' a soul, rather at Genesis 2:7 Adam is a soul or person because 'all of Adam became a living soul ' and at death Adam became a dead soul or a dead person.
     
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