No like i said, im not going to turn this into a trinity debate - there are pleenty of other threads on this already.Popeyesays said:In other words you can't find a claim from Jesus to be GOD.
And again you compleatly avoid the implications of the atonement Christ made for us and that the bible makes it clear that this atonement is the only way for sinners to stand befor God and not be condemmed. Either God requires this atonement or he dosnt!
No you miss a very important point about Christ, he didnt come into existance when he was born on earth. Adam was created, Christ was not - he was with the father befor the world began.Popeyesays said:That means to me that He is not God, the Creator, Adonai, Elohim, Hashem.
Now do you believe He is the Son of God because GOD donated sperm to Mary to give Jesus the DNA of God?
Or did He come into being, born of Mary through an act of will by God?
If you believe the second, then Jesus is not the progeny of God.
If it is so important that Jesus is God because He had no human father, why is Adam not even greater since He did not have a father nor a mother? This is where that argument leads.
He became a man to pay for our sin.
Jesus is not just one of Gods creations.
Jesus stated the following in revalation Revelation 22:12
"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
and also made it clear in John 17:5
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
or
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. ....
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1-3, 14
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. ....
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1-3, 14