Allah is not God (Islams)

[Sunstone]

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If Allah means god Nero was Allah because he made himself god.

Sounds to me like you're playing with semantics.

 

[lilithu]

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If Allah means god Nero was Allah because he made himself god.

I know that you understand the difference between God with a big G and god with a little g because you make it yourself here:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=269476#poststop
So I can only chalk up your intransigence to bias rather than ignorance. Allah means God with a big G, not god with a little g. Allah, short for al-ilah, means THE god, not just a god. Nero was a god, or tried to make himself one anyway. Nero was not Allah; he was not God.

And whatever other games you want to play with semantics, Allah IS the god of Abraham; therefore Allah is the same god of the Christians and the Jews.

 

[Steve]

I know that you understand the difference between God with a big G and god with a little g because you make it yourself here:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=269476#poststop
So I can only chalk up your intransigence to bias rather than ignorance. Allah means God with a big G, not god with a little g. Allah, short for al-ilah, means THE god, not just a god. Nero was a god, or tried to make himself one anyway. Nero was not Allah; he was not God.

And whatever other games you want to play with semantics, Allah IS the god of Abraham; therefore Allah is the same god of the Christians and the Jews.

No muhummed tried to make out that allah is the God of Abraham, anyone who compares allah with the Christian God can easily see they are not the same! Repeating the same worn out mantra wont change it a bit.
The Christian God sent his Son to to be crucified, to take the punishment for our sins, to make atonement for us - to reconcile us to Him if we repent and put our trust in him and Jesus' sacrifice. The muslim god DID NOT, they cannot be the same god.

 

[lilithu]

No muhummed tried to make out that allah is the God of Abraham, anyone who compares allah with the Christian God can easily see they are not the same! Repeating the same worn out mantra wont change it a bit.

Well dude, it doesn't work any better for you than it does for me.

The Christian God sent his Son to to be crucified, to take the punishment for our sins, to make atonement for us - to reconcile us to Him if we repent and put our trust in him and Jesus' sacrifice. The muslim god DID NOT, they cannot be the same god.

The Jewish God didn't send a Son to be crucified either, so I guess the Christian God and the Jewish God are not the same. Would you agree with that?

 

[Steve]

The Jewish God didn't send a Son to be crucified either, so I guess the Christian God and the Jewish God are not the same. Would you agree with that?

No because the Jewish God repeatedly indicated what was to come. That he would send Christ who would make the atonement mankind needs. Many of the Jews failed to see what their own God indicated he would do and then did.

Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:4-6
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[lilithu]

No because the Jewish God repeatedly indicated what was to come. That he would send Christ who would make the atonement mankind needs. Many of the Jews failed to see what their own God indicated he would do and then did.

Sorry, but that's your interepretation of what the Jewish God said. Nowhere in the "Old Testament" is there mention of sending His Son or a Christ. The Messiah means something different to the Jews than how Christians understand it. They were never looking for a God incarnate, but an earthly king. That's why the Jews "failed" to recognize Jesus as God.

And just for the record, Allah did send Jesus to show humanity the way to reconciliation with Him. On that much both Muslims and Christians agree. They just don't think the atonement/reconciliation was thru Jesus' death so much as his message. And there are liberal Christians who believe this as well. I guess those liberal Christians don't believe in the same God as you either? Wow, God just keeps shrinking and shrinking.

 

[Popeyesays]

BHAKTHI
"An Arabic speaker prays to God and says the word for God in his own language "Allah".
Answer -: There is God and there are gods.Allah simply means god.Nero made himself a god.
Does this mean Nero was Allah?

Well, lots of people have declared themselves to be god. If they were speaking Arabic, then, yes - then that person was claiming to be Allah.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Popeyesays]

No muhummed tried to make out that allah is the God of Abraham, anyone who compares allah with the Christian God can easily see they are not the same! Repeating the same worn out mantra wont change it a bit.
The Christian God sent his Son to to be crucified, to take the punishment for our sins, to make atonement for us - to reconcile us to Him if we repent and put our trust in him and Jesus' sacrifice. The muslim god DID NOT, they cannot be the same god.

So said Caiaphas about Jesus, dude.

Muhammed attributes to God:
"We gave Moses the Book and we followed him up with other apostles, and we gave Jesus the son of Mary manifest signs and aided him with the Holy Spirit. Do ye then, every time an apostle comes to you with what your souls love not, proudly scorn him, and charge a part with lying and slay a part?"
(The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 2 - The Heifer)

Regards,
Scott

 

[Popeyesays]

No because the Jewish God repeatedly indicated what was to come. That he would send Christ who would make the atonement mankind needs. Many of the Jews failed to see what their own God indicated he would do and then did.

Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:4-6


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Many more are shown here - http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/messianicprophecies.html

The Sanhedrin ruled that Jesus was a false prophet, you know - applying the laws of Moses and the writings of the prophets to do so.

Jesus fulfilled the prophecies of the TaNakh only in spiritual terms, and this was not what the authorities of Judaism at the time wished to have happen. Jesus was a significant threat to their own authority.

Muhammed was a significant threat to the authority of the Churches, so they wanted nothing to do with Him because He threatened their authority.

"We gave Moses the Book and we followed him up with other apostles, and we gave Jesus the son of Mary manifest signs and aided him with the Holy Spirit. Do ye then, every time an apostle comes to you with what your souls love not, proudly scorn him, and charge a part with lying and slay a part?"
(The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 2 - The Heifer)