Alabama Supreme Court declares frozen embryos are legally children

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Alabama’s supreme court ruled embryos are ‘extrauterine children’. IVF patients are worried

The state’s sweeping ruling leaves doctors and patients scrambling to untangle its implications for frozen embryos

www.theguardian.com

In a first-of-its-kind decision, the Alabama state supreme court ruled on Friday that embryos are “extrauterine children” – a term that could have widespread implications for anybody who is seeking or provides in vitro fertilization (IVF). The ruling has plunged IVF doctors and patients in Alabama into chaos and uncertainty, as they scramble to untangle the practical implications of the sweeping ruling.

The thing that I note most of all, is that in his concurring opinion, Chief Justice Tom Parker deliberately and explicitly invoked religion, when he said:

"The people of Alabama have declared the public policsy of this state to be that unborn human life is sacred...we believe that each huma being, from the moment of conception, is made in the image of God, created by Him to refelct his likeness."

Guess what, folks -- separation of church and state is definitely on the way out in the U.S., since by Overton, this now becomes a legitimate matter for public, political discussion.

I think the "Christian Nationalists" are winning, because not enough Americans are speaking up to rein them in.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Some information for those unfamiliar with the term......

Fetal Physiology and the Transition to Extrauterine Life

The physiology of the fetus is fundamentally different from the neonate with both structural and functional distinctions. The fetus is well-adapted to the relatively hypoxemic intrauterine environment. The transition from intra- to extrauterine life requires ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Alabama’s supreme court ruled embryos are ‘extrauterine children’. IVF patients are worried

The state’s sweeping ruling leaves doctors and patients scrambling to untangle its implications for frozen embryos

www.theguardian.com

In a first-of-its-kind decision, the Alabama state supreme court ruled on Friday that embryos are “extrauterine children” – a term that could have widespread implications for anybody who is seeking or provides in vitro fertilization (IVF). The ruling has plunged IVF doctors and patients in Alabama into chaos and uncertainty, as they scramble to untangle the practical implications of the sweeping ruling.

The thing that I note most of all, is that in his concurring opinion, Chief Justice Tom Parker deliberately and explicitly invoked religion, when he said:

"The people of Alabama have declared the public policsy of this state to be that unborn human life is sacred...we believe that each huma being, from the moment of conception, is made in the image of God, created by Him to refelct his likeness."

Guess what, folks -- separation of church and state is definitely on the way out in the U.S., since by Overton, this now becomes a legitimate matter for public, political discussion.

I think the "Christian Nationalists" are winning, because not enough Americans are speaking up to rein them in.

Yeah... I won't believe that they consider embryos to be people until they refuse to deport someone because of an "anchor embryo."

 

[Rival]

Good.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Good.

Yeah! Let the priests run everything -- they'll tell you what God wants (without ever telling you how they know).

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

And, I've just learned, Nikki Haley has asserted that she believes that "frozen embryos are babies."

Think of the problems -- here's a single example: several embryos are created in an IVF procedure for a couple desperate for children, and one (maybe two) are embedded in the woman's womb. What do you do with the others? Is it now necessary to find some other womb to host them, and if you don't, are you guilty of murder?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

And, I've just learned, Nikki Haley has asserted that she believes that "frozen embryos are babies."

I hope that she is the only surviving relative of her rich aunt who dies without a will, and just as she's poised to inherit a huge estate, they discover that the aunt had some embryos frozen 30 years ago, so the embryos inherit everything and she gets nothing.

 

[Shaul]

Nikki Haley agrees with them.

Nikki Haley responds to controversial Alabama court ruling: 'Embryos, to me, are babies'

 

[tytlyf]

In America we have separation of church and state. No religious laws please. Respect our founders and the Constitution

 

[tytlyf]

Nikki Haley agrees with them.

Nikki Haley responds to controversial Alabama court ruling: 'Embryos, to me, are babies'

Of course she does, she needs to appeal to conservatives for support

 

[Revoltingest]

And, I've just learned, Nikki Haley has asserted that she believes that "frozen embryos are babies."

Think of the problems -- here's a single example: several embryos are created in an IVF procedure for a couple desperate for children, and one (maybe two) are embedded in the woman's womb. What do you do with the others? Is it now necessary to find some other womb to host them, and if you don't, are you guilty of murder?

It is not their way to consider the ramifications of what they want.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I can't wait for the Satanic Temple to sue Jehovah in one of these states for being the most prolific abortion provider in history and still today.

 

[Heyo]

Some information for those unfamiliar with the term......

Fetal Physiology and the Transition to Extrauterine Life

The physiology of the fetus is fundamentally different from the neonate with both structural and functional distinctions. The fetus is well-adapted to the relatively hypoxemic intrauterine environment. The transition from intra- to extrauterine life requires ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

That explains intrauterine embryos, not extrauterine children. Aren't all children extrauterine?

 

[metis]

I have never been to a funeral for a dead embryo or miscarriage, so if this is so religiously important, then why don't we have any such ceremonies with prayers for the deceased?

 

[Rival]

I have never been to a funeral for a dead embryo or miscarriage, so if this is so religiously important, then why don't we have any such ceremonies with prayers for the deceased?

People pray outside of abortion clinics all the time, don't they?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I have never been to a funeral for a dead embryo or miscarriage, so if this is so religiously important, then why don't we have any such ceremonies with prayers for the deceased?

An interesting thought.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I have never been to a funeral for a dead embryo or miscarriage, so if this is so religiously important, then why don't we have any such ceremonies with prayers for the deceased?

My ex had several first-trimester miscarriages. Nobody - not her Catholic relatives or the priests at her church - reacted as I would expect someone to react at the news of the death of a baby and none of them even mentioned the option of a funeral.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Ridiculous!

Sets a dangerous precedent as well.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Yeah... I won't believe that they consider embryos to be people until they refuse to deport someone because of an "anchor embryo."

Or that we can declare frozen embryos dependents on our taxes.

It's just virtue signalling. Literally not thinking through the consequences of their actions to they can set a senseless precedent.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

There's a new game in town. It's called "Nikki in the middle," with the Alabama Supreme Court on one side and Kellyanne Conway on the other.