Against abortion for any reason? What about the death penalty?

[Me Myself]

I'm quite happy about you thinking of my words at all, and referencing them. But just want to point out that i'm Badran, not Balram

Unless you did mean to reference Balram, then sorry for interfering in anyway

Not at all, Balran was not carefull at all with Death penalty, edited already that one

 

[no-body]

Life is sacred. Until you can sin, anyway.

 

[dawny0826]

I'm personally pro-life but can no longer support anti-abortion politics.

I believe the most accurate way to describe my views on the death penalty is that I'm undecided.

 

[9Westy9]

I was hoping for a more nuanced answer. Let me ask you this. Is your pro-choice stance based upon a liberty argument or a scientific argument? I follow the scientific stance. For me, the right to choose to have an abortion is not based upon an appeal to liberty, but the mere fact that early stage fetuses are not living beings in the sense a fully-formed baby is.

Liberty. If someone wants to have an abortion why stop them? After the baby is born however there is no need for death to the child.

What boggles my mind are the people who personally think abortion is wrong, but remain pro-choice, because of a belief in liberty.

Doesn't strike me as weird at all

 

[beenie]

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[Johnathan]

I'm personally fascinated as to how anyone in their right mind would choose the last choice;

How can you be anti-choice and be for state-sanctioned murders?

 

[IsmailaGodHasHeard]

There is a difference between a helpless baby and a murderer. That said, I only support the death penalty if the death is to be quick and painless.

 

[IsmailaGodHasHeard]

I'm personally fascinated as to how anyone in their right mind would choose the last choice;

How can you be anti-choice and be for state-sanctioned murders?

It is not antichoice to oppose abortion.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

A rope and a tree cost less

 

[IsmailaGodHasHeard]

A rope and a tree cost less

LOL! I like your sense of humor!

 

[Poisonshady313]

That said, I only support the death penalty if the death is to be quick and painless.

Why?

We're not talking about ending the suffering of a terminally ill cancer patient... we're talking about the death penalty.

I'm not saying it should be slow and torturous, but if there's some measure of discomfort... pain even, I'm ok with that. They've earned it.

 

[Darkness]

Liberty. If someone wants to have an abortion why stop them? After the baby is born however there is no need for death to the child.

Once the child begins to develop it starts to attain sensation and consciousness (with the development of the central nervous system), I have an interest in stopping them; just as I have an interest in preventing harm/suffering in areas of the world that do not directly affect me.

Doesn't strike me as weird at all

Yes, but I am a crazy democratic-socialist with cultural communitarianism tacked on, so normal American common-sense confounds me.

 

[Madhuri]

I'm not saying it should be slow and torturous, but if there's some measure of discomfort... pain even, I'm ok with that. They've earned it.

Don't criminals still spend time in jail before execution? Isn't the wait before death punishment in itself? I think it must be very stressful and psychologically/emotionally harmful.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Don't criminals still spend time in jail before execution?

Prison, not jail. Jail is where they hang out while they're still on trial. When they're sentenced, they get sent to prison.

Isn't the wait before death punishment in itself?

No. If it were, there wouldn't be a death penalty. That time in prison... that's borrowed time. They've been sentenced, but are kept from serving their sentence until a lengthy appeals process to make sure that the court didn't screw up.

I wish I could wait 20 years after being pulled over before having to pay a speeding ticket.

Not only do they owe the state their life by virtue of having been sentenced to death for a capital crime, they also owe the state whatever it spent keeping him alive before executing him. They oughta put death row inmates to work. Let them earn their last meal. And if they have to suffer for a few minutes before they die, so be it.

I think it must be very stressful and psychologically/emotionally harmful.

It must be. And it should be. They're murderers.

 

[Johnathan]

There is a difference between a helpless baby and a murderer. That said, I only support the death penalty if the death is to be quick and painless.

There is a difference between a clump of cells and a potentially innocent human being.

 

[Father Heathen]

There is a difference between a clump of cells and a potentially innocent human being.

This.

 

[Barcode]

I believe in pro-choice but on the fence regarding the death penalty.

Those of you against the death penalty let me ask you something.

How do you afford life for a convicted criminal when he/she didn't give that option to their victim?

 

[Poisonshady313]

I believe in pro-choice but on the fence regarding the death penalty.

What prevents you from being for the death penalty?

 

[Barcode]

What prevents you from being for the death penalty?

Because our legal system is flawed?

 

[Poisonshady313]

Because our legal system is flawed?

Nobody seems to hold prison itself to that standard.

Without the death penalty, the flaws of our legal system are just as plentiful, just as horrible, just as irreversible as the flaws of our legal system with the death penalty. (If anything, the appeals process is probably more effective for death penalty cases by virtue of the fact that time is not on the defendant's side.)

Getting rid of the death penalty will only mean that those flaws won't make headline news. It won't get rid of those flaws.