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Against abortion for any reason? What about the death penalty?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Sententia, Sep 24, 2011.

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  1. Pro-choice, Against the Death Penalty

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  2. Pro-choice, For the Death Penalty

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  3. Pro-life, Against the Death Penalty

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  4. Pro-life, For the Death Penalty

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  1. Oneatatime

    Oneatatime Huh?

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    I'm pro choice in regards to abortion, at least when it's being done due to medical reasons or when the it's during the early stages of the pregnancy when it doens't really qualify as a sentient human being. I have qualms with late stage abortions at which point the baby is largely formed and believe that unless it's for medical reasons it's more appropriate to put the baby up for adoption once born rather than abort it. The mother may not like that but they've had the opportunity to abort in the early stages and in most cases becoming pregnant was a choice they made and they need to live with that choice.

    In regards to the death penalty I have mixed feelings on the issue. My primary concern is that those executed may not be guilty and so we will be executing innocents and we can't bring someone back after we've kiled them whereas a prison sentence can be overturned. In cases where we are nearly 100% sure that the individual is guilty (Such as the guy who killed all those people in Norway) then the death sentence is appropriate. There are some dangerous people who can't be rehabilitated and intergrated back into society, and whose crimes warrant exectution due to the their severity.

    So I guess I'm conditionally pro-choice and anti-capital punishment because of concern that innocents may be executed. I suspect that some some would see this as inconsistant but it is not. Abortion and the death penalty have a common theme of the ending of life but differ in the details. The death penalty does not deal with the issue of whether or not the subject of execution qualifies as being human, and we are not concened about issues of guilt or innocence (In legal terms) in regards to the developing fetus/embryo to cite a few examples.
     
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  2. Kathryn

    Kathryn Most Spoiled Woman Ever

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    I am pro life and against the death penalty. I think that's a consistent POV and belief system.

    That being said, there are exceptions to every rule, and abortion and the death penalty are no exception to THAT rule. I believe that there are situations in which both abortion and the death penalty may be the best option.
     
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  3. Mestemia

    Mestemia Advocatus Diaboli
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    Pro-choice, For the Death Penalty
     
  4. Darkness

    Darkness Psychoanalyst/Marxist

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    Well, I think it would be a little hypocritical of me to be against capital punishment in theory, since anyone who hurts my loved ones will soon be without a head.
     
  5. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Misanthropic Humanist

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    I'm against abortion, but I'm more against making people do something against their will - in other words, slavery.

    I'm for executing people who are dangerous and who cannot be rehabilitated, but more for not accidentally executing people who are not guilty.
     
  6. Quintessence

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    Eh, death penalty is actually sort of tricky for me. I don't really know why I voted in the poll like I did. I think I voted yes merely because I was thinking of human overpopulation at that particular moment. >_<
     
  7. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Riboflavin
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    And I think too many people equate anti-abortion with "pro-life"... though it's understandable the way the issue has been spun.
     
  8. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    I'm still against the death penalty in those situations.

    I've only found one type of case where I can support the death penalty: where the mere fact that a person continues to live creates the potential for something overwhelmingly negative.

    For instance, take Saddam Hussein. While I had problems with the way his trial was conducted, I think his execution was appropriate... not because of the brutality of what he did, but because as long as he was alive, the possibility existed that the Iraqi resistance would break him out of prison and make him their leader again. The only way to get rid of this possibility was to kill him.

    However, I think these sorts of cases are very, very rare. I don't think that even someone like Anders Breivik would qualify.
     
  9. angellous_evangellous

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    I'm pro-choice and for the death penalty.

    I'm against all the appeals, though. There should be a very high standard of proof, and then if guilty they should be executed immediately by a gunshot wound to the stomach.
     
  10. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Crazy Diamond

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    I am against the death penalty because it cost taxpayers more to execute someone, it doesn't deter homicide, and an eye-for-an-eye leaves the world blind.
    Personally I could never have or condone an abortion except in cases where the pregnancy is detrimental to the mother's health, the child will live a very short and miserable life, or in cases or rape. Socially though I support the right to choose because our planet can barely support our population as it is. A population of over 20 billion would be extremely difficult to feed even for industrialized nations, and our natural resources would be depleting at a rate that makes our current rate seem slow.
     
  11. YmirGF

    YmirGF Bodhisattva

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    I could not answer the poll as I do not see how the two subjects could be considered in the same breath. Doing so, trivializes both.
     
  12. ChristineES

    ChristineES Tiggerism
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    Well, not me. I am bordering on pacifism and I am pro-life. (When I was in the Navy, I didn't even shoot a gun, much less fight in any war.)
     
  13. Darkness

    Darkness Psychoanalyst/Marxist

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    Shouldn't it be a gunshot wound to the head?
     
  14. 9Westy9

    9Westy9 Sceptic, Libertarian, Egalitarian
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    Pro-Choice and for death penalty. If anyone want me to explain why I'm happy to do so.
     
  15. Darkness

    Darkness Psychoanalyst/Marxist

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    Go for it.
     
  16. Father Heathen

    Father Heathen Veteran Member

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    Right. I have no qualms about violent murderers, rapists, etc. meeting their end. I just don't trust a woefully corrupt and incompetent justice system to handle it.
     
  17. 9Westy9

    9Westy9 Sceptic, Libertarian, Egalitarian
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    Pro-Choice as I feel everyone has a right to choose.

    Pro death penalty as some acts deserve it.
     
  18. Darkness

    Darkness Psychoanalyst/Marxist

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    I've met my peers, and honestly, I do not want my life to hang in the balance of a group of them. However, I would rather face capital punishment than life in prison.

    I was hoping for a more nuanced answer. Let me ask you this. Is your pro-choice stance based upon a liberty argument or a scientific argument? I follow the scientific stance. For me, the right to choose to have an abortion is not based upon an appeal to liberty, but the mere fact that early stage fetuses are not living beings in the sense a fully-formed baby is. What boggles my mind are the people who personally think abortion is wrong, but remain pro-choice, because of a belief in liberty.
     
  19. Me Myself

    Me Myself Back to my username

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    Well... apparently I am the only pro-life pro death penalthy here :D

    Baby in womb is a life and should be taken care of above all else IMO.

    Death Penalty I am in favour but as Badram said, is something that one must be extremely careful with, and not done lightly. Still I believe there is a moment when a human has done too much bad deeds.
     
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  20. Badran

    Badran Veteran Member
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    I'm quite happy about you thinking of my words at all, and referencing them. But just want to point out that i'm Badran, not Balram :p

    Unless you did mean to reference Balram, then sorry for interfering in anyway :D
     
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