Adam and Eve and their children

[Sum1sGruj]

It's extremely simple. Adam and Eve had more children.

It's already been shown, but why that needs proving is beyond me lol.

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

By that you mean certain parts or portion of the bible. But how do you choose/tell which is literal and which allegorically? The bible is read by many of different language learning. How the hack to read it. Couldn't the bible be more clear and straight with its words, rather than confusing and up for everyone interpretation instead.

Good point... Don't you think it's time for an updated edition from the publisher?

 

[jtartar]

Cain, Son of Adam and Eve moves East of Eden and takes a wife. Where did Cains wife come from?

cgood,
Because there was only family living on earth, Cain's wife had to be one of his sisters. The Bible also tells us that Eve had to become the mother of everyone living, Gen 3:20. At that time there was no mention of him having sisters, but many times in Genesis, women are not mentioned when born, Gen 5:7, 13, 19, 22, 30.
Today, if brothers and sisters get married there will almost certainly be problems with their offspring, but when they were so close to the time of Adam's and Eve's creation, and so close to the perfection they had before sinning, God knew there would be no genetic problems. Of course Adam passed on the imperfection that he had because of sinning, so all his offspring were imperfect and would die, Rom 5:12.

 

[RitalinO.D.]

Today, if brothers and sisters get married there will almost certainly be problems with their offspring, but when they were so close to the time of Adam's and Eve's creation, and so close to the perfection they had before sinning, God knew there would be no genetic problems.

This explanation is clear cut special pleading. There is no proof human genetics were any more pure 6000 years ago than they are today.

 

[jtartar]

Cain, Son of Adam and Eve moves East of Eden and takes a wife. Where did Cains wife come from?

cgood,
Cain's wife was one of his sisters.
The Bible tells us that Eve had to become the mother of everyone living. There were no other families on earth at that time, Gen 3:20.
At the time of Cain marrying one of his sisters, the human family was still very close to the time when Adam and Eve were perfect, so having a wife that close of a relative would not produce defects, as it would today. The human family has degenerated now for over 6,000 years. When Adam and Eve decided to rebell against God they became imperfect, the defect cause them to start to degenerate, and slowly die. We all inherited this defect, which is the reason we all die, Rom 5:12. If Adam and Eve had not sinned they would still be alive on earth ,today.
Notice Gen 5:4, where we are told that Adam had sons and daughters, not mentioned by name. One of these became Cain's wife.

 

[RitalinO.D.]

cgood,
Cain's wife was one of his sisters.
The Bible tells us that Eve had to become the mother of everyone living. There were no other families on earth at that time, Gen 3:20.
At the time of Cain marrying one of his sisters, the human family was still very close to the time when Adam and Eve were perfect, so having a wife that close of a relative would not produce defects, as it would today. The human family has degenerated now for over 6,000 years. When Adam and Eve decided to rebell against God they became imperfect, the defect cause them to start to degenerate, and slowly die. We all inherited this defect, which is the reason we all die, Rom 5:12. If Adam and Eve had not sinned they would still be alive on earth ,today.
Notice Gen 5:4, where we are told that Adam had sons and daughters, not mentioned by name. One of these became Cain's wife.

You really believe that if they hadn't sinned they would still be alive? Do you realize how quickly this planet would have been overpopulated if everyone were immortal? Does that sound like a good "plan"?

 

[mmksparbud]

Have you not heard of how big the universe is??? It is beyond measure---no one is going to run out of room.

 

[sojourner]

This whole argument predicates on the assumption that Adam and Eve were historical individuals. But the literary markers of Genesis don't point to that possibility.

 

[kepha31]

This whole argument predicates on the assumption that Adam and Eve were historical individuals. But the literary markers of Genesis don't point to that possibility.

I won't pretend to know what you are talking about, but I have this from Art Sippo, who is a physician:

First of all, Monogenesis is enjoined on us because there is no clear way in the minds of the Popes to reconcile Polygenesis with the doctrine of the Sin of our first parents and the Fall. If there were a way to do so, then it could be allowed. Several scholars have proposed solutions but none have been accepted.

Secondly, if God truly made a first pair of humans by a special act of creation, it is possible that he "reset" their genetics to make it "safe" to practice incest at least for the first several generations. God could even have given them "low probability" genetic combinations at first to prevent problems.

In one of his Lazarus Long novels Robert Heinlein describes a brother and sister of the same parents who share NO genes in common. They each received half of their parents genes but none from the same half. Now there are a virtually infinite number of combinations you can make like that from just two parents. And then you can get variants where only 0.1% genes are held in common and any fraction in between that and 100%.

That may be how God did it in the beginning. This would take several generations of miracles, but it would royally screw up all the attendant probabilities. None of the scientists takes this possibility into account.

And then we need to be frank. We know very little about human origins. It appears that BIOLOGICAL humans of some kind have been around for about 2 million years give or take). BIOLOGICAL Homo sapiens has been around for ~130,000 years. But there is something very strange that happened between 70,000 and 30,000 years ago. Homo sapiens became an artist, a linguist, a complex tool maker, a religious believer, a member of a society with family structures and pair-bonds, and several other things that distinguish him from the BIOLOGICAL humans that came before. Was this new kind of H. sapiens not only BIOLOGICALY human but newly made as THEOLOGICALLY human? Was this the historical point of ensoulment?

And after that happened, the other species of man all died out and were replaced by the New Man. So if THEOLOGICAL humans arose not from pre-humans but WITHIN a BIOLOGICALLY human community in which they kept to themselves, the issue of Polygenism becomes moot.

These are just some of the possibilities.

Another note on Dr. Collin's book. He warns that a Fundamentalist literal reading of Genesis is dangerous because when a naive believer discovers the overwhelming scientific case for evolution, it can endanger his faith. Well, here we are! What he predicted has happened.

The problem is neither in science or religion but rather in a type of religion that does not respect the important distinctions between science and theology.

Humility is the point to be taken. We are not asked by God to understand all things but rather to believe in some things. Sometimes belief is easy. Sometimes it is hard. That is why one must have a prayer life and devotions to keep one properly in touch with God and His providence.

 

[sojourner]

I won't pretend to know what you are talking about, but I have this from Art Sippo, who is a physician:

It means that Adam and Eve are nothing more than fictional characters in a metaphoric, mythic story.