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Featured A Simple Question: Did Christ's Death Do Away With The Ten Commandments?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by SDRAmerica, Jul 26, 2017.

  1. Kemosloby

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    I believe the idea is that nobody can keep the law perfectly so if Jesus gave you mercy then expected you to keep the law from then on, you would probably not pass the test and the mercy would be wasted. You are supposed to repent from sin. The ten commandments and golden rule are there so that you are aware of sin.
     
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    Jesus himself said to keep the commandments. So it is obvious he did not eliminate them.
     
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    You have a Lutheran "body"?
     
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    Jesus didn't do away with the commandments God Himself wrote in stone, Jesus fulfilled the law of Moses, which was written on wood and parchment, which then was done away with.
     
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    Yes. My body was baptized as a Lutheran 63 years ago. My consciousness was created from Christ.
     
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    The only people that were "created" were Adam and Eve.
     
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    Genesis 1
    26: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
    27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

    It's obvious that you don't have a clue how we're created.
     
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    Nope.
     
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    Nice analogy.
     
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    No.

    He just said his death releaves people from the punishment for breaking the law. There is no longer a need to offer sacrifices for forgiveness for breaking the law.

    So, basically, you follow the law you just dont have to give god anything for the Get-Out-Of-Jail card. He gives you the card but still knows you have to finish the game. Having the card doesnt mean you free to break the rules.
     
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    the Dharma doesn't come into being, nor goes out of being upon the death of a personality.

    when self is within the law there is no penalty. when the law is transgressed, someone is under the penalty of the law. where there is no transgression there is no need for the Law of Love because All is fulfilled.

    the Law is singular. it isn't plural. thus when the Law of ONE is broken all 10 commandments are compromised.

    jesus said.

    Luke 16:17
    But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

    the Law doesn't cease to exist. it is the eternal state of Love, or omnibenevolent; which covers all sin, transgression.

    With Love all things are possible. Love one another as I have loved you.
     
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    SDRAmerica said: Did Christ's Death Do Away With The Ten Commandments?

    Prestor John said: Nope

    Metis said: Just a reminder that the Ten Commandments are just the first ten of 613 Commandments as found in Torah: Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot

    What about the two commandments that hang on all the law and the prophets.

    Matthew 22:37-40 - Christ said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

    It's hard to imagine that if you truly have these two commandments written in your heart that you would be guilty of breaking any of the commandments....and so now from 613 commandments, we are down to two!

    Hebrews 8: 7-10 - For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people

    Hebrews 12:24 - And to Christ the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
     
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    And out of all the 600 plus laws, only ten were carved in stone by God's own hand. These ten will never be done away with. The others applied to the ancient Isrealites and may still apply to them but not to others.
     
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    That really doesn't make a difference as Torah says that the others were given by God as well. It is possible God gave Moses the Ten to bring down to show that they were from Him and not just someone's vivid imagination.

    Correct-- gentiles are not bound by the Law, including the Ten. OTOH, if they chose to do so, that's their choice.
     
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    I think Mathew Chapter 5 is clear, particularly Mathew 5:18.

    Heaven and Earth haven't disappeared, so why would the law?

    As to why Jesus was crucified, I think the video expresses a confusion about why that happened:
    the confusion arises that people think Jesus died to change the law or that people are no longer under an obligation to obey the law because of the redemption offered through his sacrifice. Some people see Jesus as a get-out-of-jail-free-card. If they break the law, they just repent and are redeemed anyways, therefore, the law does not matter. They don't understand that the law is written in their hearts. They think it is like the laws of men: they can find a loop-hole and cheat the system. Redemption doesn't work that way. The petitioner must be sincere.
     
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    Now, how are you using "the law" here? Here they are: Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

    I have a somewhat similar belief that you may have that may satisfy both the Jewish and Christian teachings when dealing with the Law. So, let me ask you this question to see if we're on the same page: do you believe that Jews are still under the Law-- all 613 of them?
     
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    According to the Bible Christ did not do away with the commandments. He fulfilled them. As Paul pointed out the law is a tutor to reveal sin and point each person to Jesus Christ as their Savior because He alone was able to meet the requirements of the law perfectly and His righteousness is applied to the believer. One who is a new creation in Christ daily living in faith is no longer under the law.

    But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Galatians 3:22-25
     
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    You think it's me who doesn't have a clue? God created Adam and Eve, you were BORN not created by God, but by your PARENTS, if not for your PARENTS, you wouldn't be here, correct?
     
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    I noticed that the compilation of 613 commandments that you linked was compiled by Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon, a great Jewish scholar. So I don't necessarily concur that the list is complete or perfect. It may be considered a great attempt. The 'law' is written in the heart and men may seek to understand the law through meditation upon the Torah. The 'law' concerns man's relationship with God aka the covenant.

    When you ask if Jews are still under the Law, do you mean the Law of Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon (12th century) or do you mean the covenant with God? When you say 'Jew', do you mean those who practice Judaism? Or those who trace their lineage to ancient Hebrew Israelites?

    The Law exists in the hearts of the people, no man can change the Law, not Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon, not anybody. Heaven and Earth will sooner disappear than the Law change.
     
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