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A Bitter Rift Divides Atheists

Apex

Apex

Somewhere Around Nothing
mball1297 said:
In what way, though? Which part didn't you take so literally?
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The schism part, for example. I did not take it as resembling any kind of real schism but just a metaphor. But maybe the article meant for it to be taken as a literal schism and I just read it wrong. That seems to be how everyone else here has interpreted it.
 
rojse

rojse

RF Addict
Apex said:
The schism part, for example. I did not take it as resembling any kind of real schism but just a metaphor. But maybe the article meant for it to be taken as a literal schism and I just read it wrong. That seems to be how everyone else here has interpreted it.
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:yes:

And I must admit, that is what had me posting my "crusading atheists" line in half-seriousness. Might have spent a bit more time considering your possible view.
 
d3vaLL

d3vaLL

Member
Nine year old Tommy has a trick. He says to two of his friends "if I can make your quarter disappear, I get to keep it." Tommy takes his friend Joe's quarter in his palms and lifts his hands to his mouth. He blows and opens his hands, revealing a missing quarter. Joe and Stan are astonished. More children gather around Tommy and the two boys. As Tommy turns to face the crowd, Joe and Stan hear a jingle in Tommy's pocket. Both Joe and Stan frown as Tommy takes Frank's quarter and blows on it. Joe tells the other boys it's a trick. Tommy laughs as the other boys tease Joe. Joe is a jerk.
 
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Magic Man

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Apex said:
The schism part, for example. I did not take it as resembling any kind of real schism but just a metaphor. But maybe the article meant for it to be taken as a literal schism and I just read it wrong. That seems to be how everyone else here has interpreted it.
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I don't understand. How do you take that as a metaphor? Are they not saying atheists are split into two parties due to some ideological differences?
 
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tomasortega

Active Member
atheism is made up of anti theists and non theists. anti theists believe in the inexistence of a god, non theists do not believe in the existence of a god. one is belief, the other is lack of belief. thats the difference
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
mball1297 said:
I don't understand. How do you take that as a metaphor? Are they not saying atheists are split into two parties due to some ideological differences?
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Dishonest of me to say so without reading the rest of it, but in the first couple paragraphs they're definitely implying a linear transition in "atheist thought" from Mark Twain to Richard Dawkins to Bruce Sheiman (who, btw, seems to be doing a great job of promoting himself.)
 
dogsgod

dogsgod

Well-Known Member
tomasortega said:
atheism is made up of anti theists and non theists. anti theists believe in the inexistence of a god, non theists do not believe in the existence of a god. one is belief, the other is lack of belief. thats the difference
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Leprechauns don't exist, I guess that makes me an anti of some sort. Anti-myth, yeah that's it.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
OmarKhayyam said:
I wish I could share your cheery optimism.:cool:

I rather suspect there are religionists who are keeping their views quiet - for now - for much the same reasons you mention applied to atheists. They may not be hiding under every bed but there are more out there than your remark suggests.:(
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I've recently been hanging out on a Catholic board, and I've been disturbed by the number of posters, mainly Americans, who speak in glowing terms about how Malta* should be the model for their own nation.

It's not quite "burning heretics in the street", but I still find it disturbing.


*nominal religious freedom, but 98% of the population is Catholic, Catholicism is the state religion, all public schools are affiliated with the Catholic Church, and the Church is encouraged to have a voice in public affairs.
 
OmarKhayyam

OmarKhayyam

Well-Known Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
I've recently been hanging out on a Catholic board, and I've been disturbed by the number of posters, mainly Americans, who speak in glowing terms about how Malta* should be the model for their own nation.

It's not quite "burning heretics in the street", but I still find it disturbing.


*nominal religious freedom, but 98% of the population is Catholic, Catholicism is the state religion, all public schools are affiliated with the Catholic Church, and the Church is encouraged to have a voice in public affairs.
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Yes, there is a common assumption on this site that the Westboro Church are OBL and friends are the only groups interested in controlling our lives.

Not true - by long shot. They are merely the most obvious and active. But they represent many others lucking in the background. As evidenced by your catholic poster who neither a nut case nor a single voice.:sad4:
 
rageoftyrael

rageoftyrael

Veritas
i don't care what your made up being says! i would pick up a gun and go nuts if they tried to change to anything religion controlled.
 
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