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The "Pro-life" movement is a Republican political strategy. Always has been.And it amazes me how many of these are claiming to be Christians!
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The "Pro-life" movement is a Republican political strategy. Always has been.And it amazes me how many of these are claiming to be Christians!
OK.The "Pro-life" movement is a Republican political strategy. Always has been.
What I mean is that this hyperfocus on abortion in your argument conceals that wome have many, many other life decisions to make, which are just as far reaching, but which seemingly don't warrant this handwringing over unsound minds being affected by trauma.I don't think so. Trauma in general affects people's major life decisions. My brother is homeless because of childhood trauma but if he didn't have it, I'd assume he'd have a better handle on COVID, his job, and such cause he's a very smart fellow. Just his mental health needs to be attended to. Traumatic situations can cause a lot and when you have a last minute decision such as abortion, it doesn't quite help the problem given the time restraint.
I can see that emphasizing women as only concerned with childbearing and having no other major life decisions as men do (if I read that right). But trauma does affect all life decisions. Abortion is pretty big given it has to do with the life of a child (finances as well as general health decisions like ending one's life to not deal with pain from a terminal illness). It does affect both parties.
I see no basis in reality to this allegiation.Do you feel women are aborting as the first resort to their problem?
I feel that is an infantilization of women. We never say that a man is too traumatized, to wracked with grief etc. to do anything, regardless of what they've been through; we don't place male rape victims, male war survivors etc. under custody because they are "traumatized" and thus, by your argument, incapable of making life choices on their own. Yet, curiously, female minds are alleged to be too fragile to make free decisions on their own accord.The way many make it seem is as if women just all of the sudden say "I've been raped. Abort! Get it done with." I'm sure women (at least most?) who have gone through that doesn't make that decision on their own morals but out of what they feel as a necessity (assuming they abort not because of the child's father).
The Governor Of Texas Has Signed A Law That Bans Abortion As Early As 6 Weeks
"Most people don't even know if they are pregnant at six weeks... WTF." (My wife)
"The Texas law effectively prohibits any abortion after around six weeks of pregnancy, before many women are even aware that they are pregnant.
The bill, which takes effect in September, makes no exception for pregnancies that are the result of rape or incest but does include a rare provision that allows individual citizens to sue anyone they believe may have been involved in helping a pregnant individual violate the ban. The provision cannot be used against pregnant people, but reproductive rights advocates warn it can be used to target abortion providers and abortion-rights activists."
This law is an abomination of humanity. It's also blatantly misogynistic. Texas itself will strike it down.The Governor Of Texas Has Signed A Law That Bans Abortion As Early As 6 Weeks
"Most people don't even know if they are pregnant at six weeks... WTF." (My wife)
"The Texas law effectively prohibits any abortion after around six weeks of pregnancy, before many women are even aware that they are pregnant.
The bill, which takes effect in September, makes no exception for pregnancies that are the result of rape or incest but does include a rare provision that allows individual citizens to sue anyone they believe may have been involved in helping a pregnant individual violate the ban. The provision cannot be used against pregnant people, but reproductive rights advocates warn it can be used to target abortion providers and abortion-rights activists."
It's not forcing the mother to do anything.
I would have an abortion regardless of if you or the law agreed with it, were I to get pregnant today. (Which would be pretty surprising since I use multiple birth controls).
I respect that.I would have an abortion regardless of if you or the law agreed with it, were I to get pregnant today. (Which would be pretty surprising since I use multiple birth controls).
Apart from take the baby to full term whilst recovering from being raped, you mean...
Your view on 'anything' clearly differs from mine, given that I get pissy when forced to fill out some meaningless piece of paper for administrative purposes.
Then you're pro-choice. Thank you.Legally, I would say let the mother choose. Morally, I disagree with abortion in itself. Letting the mother choose is fine but it doesn't change how I feel about abortion.
Then you're pro-choice. Thank you.
Pro-choice means letting each pregnant person follow their conscience. Sounds like your conscience wouldn't guide you to abortion for yourself, and that's fine. As long as you support the right of others to follow their consciences too, then you're pro-choice.
Not forcing the woman to do anything?If a woman is raped, the baby can still live regardless who takes care of him or her-adoption, the other father or mother, or so have you. It's not forcing the mother to do anything. Many states let the mother give the child to the hospital I think within a week or month after pregnancy. So, I don't how killing a growing child (case in point) overrides just giving the baby to those who can take care of it.
Edit. Here's more about it Birth Mother Parental Rights - Texas Adoption | Adoption Choices of Texas
Sounds like the beginning of the Handmaid's Tale to me.Back to coat hanger abortions.
Third world country with an expensive handbag indeed.
I hate this place. @Quagmire you were right. Load all these republicans into a canon and fire them out of the country.
Not forcing the woman to do anything?
How about forcing her to be pregnant???
I did and I am now satisfied with someone else's response to that.Read #69
You're sure?......... If a person was raped, I'm sure she wouldn't be in her right state of mind to decide if she wanted to have the child. ........
You're sure?
How could you possibly have any idea about how a raped person feels?
And you did not answer my question which asked if you would be prepared to support taxation in order to provide full medical services, education to degree level and subsistence for all rape-childten.
Well?
As far as abortion goes, I don't like it but think it's up to a woman to choose before viability. I also am totally in favor of real health care including for pregnant women, job training/education for women, day care and everything else that's a barrier that leads a woman to feel she has no choice but abortion.
Legally, I would say let the mother choose. Morally, I disagree with abortion in itself. Letting the mother choose is fine but it doesn't change how I feel about abortion.
I have no issue with people making their own moral judgements on this. As stated, I can't envisage my wife and I ever having aborted, short of life and death.
I simply want people to have the right to make their own choice.