That may be going a bit too far. Israel is many things, but it sure isn't known for its refusal to engage in military action when it feels threatened.
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150 rockets fired at Israel after IDF assassinates Gaza terror leader
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ImmortalFlame
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150 missiles fired against Israel by Palestine.
"They are racist, homo-phobic terrorists!"
1,000s of missiles fired against Palestine by Israel.
"This is completely incoherent. I have no interest discussing this."
Spirit of Light
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Yes i care a lot about that, because civilian people are affected by it. And yes it is a wrong action by Hamas. Would be better if both Israel and palestine ended the fight all together
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rosends
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I think it is a difficult question filtered through the experiences and media of different countries. When America sends a SEAL (or DELTA) team in to target a terrorist leader, the world doesn't flinch. But when Israel uses a targeted bomb, people think it is excessive. What is also important to remember is that these 150 (or more) unguided rockets are not the only ones launched. There have been hundreds fired which were not in "retaliation" for anything (many orchestrated by the leader killed yesterday). This is not in a vacuum.
Gaza has been given back by Israel more than once. Each time, it has become a source of incursions and terror. It wants to be treated as its own country but doesn't have a government which wants to take responsibility for the well being of its people. It doesn't want the country next door to have its own borders which have to be respected, but wants its respected.
It is difficult to jump in at any point and try to gain a nuanced and balanced view of this conflict and the temptation is to say that anyone who has a view contrary is necessarily wrong and biased. Meanwhile, those others say the same thing right back.
I wonder if, in response to Egypt's flooding smuggling and incursion tunnels, any rockets were fired into Egypt (which also has a closed border with the Strip).
Gaza has been given back by Israel more than once. Each time, it has become a source of incursions and terror. It wants to be treated as its own country but doesn't have a government which wants to take responsibility for the well being of its people. It doesn't want the country next door to have its own borders which have to be respected, but wants its respected.
It is difficult to jump in at any point and try to gain a nuanced and balanced view of this conflict and the temptation is to say that anyone who has a view contrary is necessarily wrong and biased. Meanwhile, those others say the same thing right back.
I wonder if, in response to Egypt's flooding smuggling and incursion tunnels, any rockets were fired into Egypt (which also has a closed border with the Strip).
This looks like the kind of post @Landon Caeli was referring to.
There's plenty of blame to spread around here. But Palestinians have launched 1000s of missiles. And they targeted civilians. Israel has also launched 1000s of missiles. And they targeted military operations.
Like I said, there's plenty of blame to spread around. But your post was incoherent, to be charitable about it.
Tom
How does targeting schools, hospitals and homes = "military operations"? They have targeted both. Sorry but, you seem to not have your facts in order. Also, how does one justify using a tank and live ammunition while fully clothed in all kinds of protection against kids throwing rocks?
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
The entire Israel state was founded by Israeli terrorist action against the international appointed British mandate at that time. Ben-Gurian was their Zionist leader and later prime minister.
rosends
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When combatants turn locations into dual use by making those locations the origin point of missiles or storage locations then it seems a bit disingenuous to criticize the response. And if you were familiar with the Israeli army's rules of engagement you might understand the conditions that necessitate ever using live fire. They are extreme but when they happen, they happen.
I am extremely aware of their tactics. Please look at this video and convince how this "necessitate" anything. With all due respect, i am not saying this of all Jewish people but the Zionists and Israeli army are nothing more than a bunch of terrorists.
Marc Lamont Hill on Instagram: “*VIOLENCE WARNING* Disturbing video of an unarmed Palestinian youth shot in his back while walking away from Israeli border police. These…”
Because Hamas commonly hides their military operations under such civilian buildings. Or sends kids to run in front of heavily armed soldiers.
This reminds me of a big story from several years ago.
The headline was
IDF targets sleeping Palestinian children
Turns out that what happened was a little different. The IDF identified a cache of missiles in the basement of a building. They relayed to an NGO that they were going to pulverize the missiles in 15-20 minutes, giving time for civilians to get out but not the missiles.
Hamas responded, "There are children sleeping on the top floor of the building." The NGO relayed that back to IDF.
But Hamas didn't move the children to safety. Hamas left them there to die.
IDF destroyed the missiles. Hamas claimed IDF targeted children. And the media described the event as IDF targeting children. Big win for Hamas, and all it cost them was a few Palestinian kids.
Tom
rosends
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I'm not sure if you are well aware of their tactics, and I said nothing about Jews so I'm not sure what prompted their inclusion. The video you cite is of a single soldier who (as has been shown in court) has problems. I think it proper to distinguish between the policies and widespread practices of the army and the illegal (and actionable) behavior of a soldier. If you can find an army in which there has never been an individual who does not follow the rules and does something criminal, then please let me know. But if you level accusations against entire groups based on the behavior of a single person (who is then subject to legal punishment) then I think that you are looking for reasons to slap labels.
What would the US do if some foreign nation assassinated Trump?
Not that I am approving of the retaliation but it's kind of what I'd expect.
The recipe for endless hate and revenge killing.
Hamas and the Israeli right wing have much in common emotionally.
It is, however, quite Abrahamic.
Tom
That's not correct. Israeli Jews - Wikipedia
Not that Bush was assassinated, but look at our response to a couple of buildings being destroyed.
Tom