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    13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    Q1) If Baptizm of the spirit, is receiving the Most Holy Spirit of GOD in you, and everyone has done it in the churches in the world, then why are they all divided with different belief systems if the Most Holy Spirit of GOD leads us into all truth?

    Q2) Every Denomination of Christianity, preaches that Jesus His Pre-Eminence is the Son of GOD, how is this verse true if they are all divided?
     
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    Are they all really divided? We just had a County-wide event with 200+ churches of all denominations and flavors. Is the body divided because one part is different from the other?

    Or are all inconsequential differences not important when we come in the unity of the faith?
     
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    Yes you are all divided, with different theology of salvation, different believe systems, different leaders even. There are 450+ denominations. And if all have the Most Holy Spirit, then you are saying that all of you are being led differently by the same GOD.
     
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    And yet, to everyone surprise, 200+ churches of all stripes and colors worked together.

    Maybe it is just your viewpoint? I think so!

    The differences is simply, as in the days of old, some have adopted a religious position while others concentrate on relationship. After all, we aren't puppets on a string. In the measure you hear, it will be measured back unto you.

    It might help you to read the book of Acts and the epistles. What you see is quite normal.

    Interestingly enough it mentions in Ephesians that we come into the unity of the faith... not the unity of the doctrine.
     
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    I don't think you are understanding what it means: led into all truth..

    How can there be any differences if it was so?

    Jesus His Pre-Eminence said: John 16:12-15

    12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

    13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    If you all received the Most Holy Spirit, then by the words of Jesus His Pre-Eminence, there can't be differences in doctrine - else you are claiming that GOD is double tongued
     
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    I thought I explained it but I can be more specific:

    Sometimes it is because people are in the flesh:

    Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

    In today's distracted society, sometime we just are not listening:

    Mark 4:24 And he said to them, “Pay attention to what you hear: with the measure you use, it will be measured to you, and still more will be added to you.25 For to the one who has, more will be given, and from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.”

    Sometimes people are listening to the wrong spirit:

    1 Timothy 4:1= Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

    Sometimes they get too involved in philosophies of man:

    Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

    But regardless of all of the above, God is adorning His bride, His Church, as we wait for our Savior.

    Which category are you in?
     
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    Then it means they are not being led by GOD. So either GOD is not in them, in any of them, or GOD is not leading them.


    12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

    13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    Which category am i in?

    If i hear the voice of GOD, i know that its HIS voice, and I follow HIM.

    I am not a Prophet. So I don't mean that i can hear HIM directly. But I know HIS voice, by HIS messages; HIS Revelations.
     
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    Ok... let's slow this down a little...

    Can you think on a person in the New Testament that you know is filled with the Holy Spirit but didn't follow the leading of the Holy Spirit?

    And then a global example?
     
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    I like the comment Ken makes about that. I'm a lay person, but it appears to me that its in the spirit of communion.
     
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    Tell me your example.
     
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    How does it agree with John 16:12-15?
     
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    Was Peter filled and led by the Holy Spirit?
     
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    No, HE was led by GOD. Apostle Peter is the 6th Angel of the 6th Church age.
     
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    Hmmm.... He wasn't filled in Acts 2? Or when Jesus breathed on him and said "receive the Holy Spirit"?
     
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    and what does this mean?

    1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
     
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    The body that was called a temple, is not the mortal body. It is the transfigured body that was called " The Temple". That is the temple that GOD said HE would build:

    John 2
    19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

    20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

    21 But he spake of the temple of his body.


    Just as HE said:
    40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    That raising up, is transfiguration, which is putting of mortality, and putting on immortality in life.

    1 Cor 15
    50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

    56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.


    So the temple that GOD said HE would build, is the celestial immortal body. And that body is the body that is the Temple of the holy Spirit. The Church HE said HE would build is a church of immortals. Not mortals. HE said the gates of hell will not prevail against it, meaning they will transfigure in life. And the bride is prepared without spots, blemishes or wrinkles: Without aging spots, aging blemishes, aging wrinkles.

    Just as it was written:
    “And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:”

    This was the precise moment that GOD sent the Spirit Being of John the Baptist into the womb of Elizabeth.

    Every child of the kingdom is a Spirit Being. Man is a Spirit Being. And the body he has is his garment that gives him access into this earth. For example, the laws of this earth do not recognise the body of a Spirit Being. You cannot see ghosts in this earth (though people have claimed it), or demons, or anything that doesn't have a physical body. It is because you must have Spirit, Soul, and body in tact to be recognised by the laws of this planet, and it is the same to enter into a celestial heavens world. That is why there must be the resurrection, and transfiguration for those that died before one can enter into heaven.

    And every child of the kingdom that was called "wheats" is a holy spirit being. Because they were sent by GOD from the Fathers Bosom. While every tare is an unholy spirit being, and they were sent from the abyss. Cain is a tare. GOD did not send cain into the womb of Mother Eve. Esau is a tare. GOD did not send Esau into the womb of Rebecca. Ishmael is a tare, GOD did not send Ishmael into the womb of Hagar. That is why they are not included as "seed of Abraham".

    So it was badly misunderstood. The Temple for the holy Spirit (the Spirit of a child of the kingdom) is their transfigured body.

    Look at how it was called temple, and Nimrod, who attained messages from the preachings of Enoch, tried to a build a tower that will reach heaven. Enoch built a temple that will reach heaven,and that temple is his immortal celestial body; the robe of righteousness, the Garments of praise; the wedding garment, the transfigured body.

    So the verse that saul paul said here, and the state of the church today, reveals that its not true. He claimed that to be born again is first by confession, then the receiving of the Most Holy Spirit in them, and now they are new creations in Christ. Yet, he aso said, that we all must conform to the image of the Son of GOD, which means its not a new creation! Then they wrote that John the beloved said:

    2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

    The same John the beloeved saw HIM as HE is in the Island of Patmos, and did not transfigure. So how is this accurate?

    And my final question to you is this:
    Jesus HIs Pre-Eminence said:

    Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

    Jesus His Pre-Eminence said: Except, which means there is no other way

    How did Enoch and Elijah both enter into heaven if they were not born again?

    .This is meat, not milk. So before you are quick to answer, think about it for a while, please.
     
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    No. How is HE breathing on them receiving the Spirit of truth that HE said HE would send?

    Acts 2, which was called pentecost, was badly misunderstood. That sound of wind, was Angels leaving the earth, for their job was complete, and Angels coming into the earth for the events yet to come. And the Proof it wasn't the Spirit of Truth, is that they, the Apostles, were Matyred. for HE said:

    49And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

    If they had listened, they would not have been martyred. But they misinterpreted what that event they called Pentecost was, and they left Jerusalem. And even quoted Joel to show that they did not understand what Joel was saying either. And then in ignorance, they chose another apostle, to replace judas by gambling (which GOD did not command them to do), and allowed the Church to be persecuted, then to be hijacked, then for the scrolls to be stolen, and then for a counterfeit Christ to be preached.

    Saul did all these things. And Jesus His Pre-Eminence warned them when HE said: Beware the leaven of the pharisees. Saul was a Pharisee.
     
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    I forgot two last classes of People:

    1) My people perish for lack of knowledge
    2) Those who present a different Gospel

    Thanks for reminding me.

    Unless you know more that Jesus:

    Mark 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

    Revelation 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

    OR

    if Jesus is a liar:


    John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

    22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
     
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    lol a different Gospel from who? saul? This is the Gospel that Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached; the Law, the Word and the Prophet; the Gospel of the kingdom. So saul has priority over Jesus His Pre-Eminence for you?

    Its amazing to me that you post Hosea, yet it is you that is lacking the knowledge to transfiguration in life. Well, we can only understand things according to our mindset, i suppose.
     
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    edited... please reread
     
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