Nor is the word “ produced” used, rather possessed, which is speaking about the wisdom (in context of the whole passage), that God possessed from everlasting…
The Lord possessed me at the beginning of His way,
Before His works of old.
I have been established from everlasting…
Proverbs8:22-23...
or even Proverbs 8 :22 Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way,The earliest of his achievements of long ago.23 From ancient times I was installed,From the start, from times earlier than the earth.
Mark,
The Son was made of a woman, made under the law. Galatians 4:4 So that body did not exist until it was born.
God created all things alone and by himself as it says in Isaiah 44:24. It's just that God had a plan. God created everything revolving around the Son. The Son was the...
Yes. He’s saying that Jesus is eternal. He was there before there was anything. For God created everything with his Word.
Proverbs 8:23 Formed: since the other verbs of the origin of Wisdom in these verses describe birth, it is likely that the somewhat uncertain verb is to be understood of...
Right, Jesus was before the world was, because Jesus is part of the 'us' at Genesis 1:26
Please notice Proverbs8:22-31 because the one speaking is said to be created.
Jesus gives credit to his God as being Creator at Rev. 4:11
So, only the Creator (Psalm 90:2) was 'before' pre-human heavenly...
How do you account for the scripture verses detailing that:
‘God alone created all things’
‘This is what the YHWH says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the YHWH, the maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,’ (Isaiah :44:24)
‘for us...
“…Let us make man in our image….” (Genesis 1:26) is referring to God Almighty and Jesus. “So God created man….” (Genesis 1:27) Do you notice the difference?
God’s first creation was his “…only-begotten Son….” (John 3:16) “…the beginning of the creation by God.” (Revelation 3:14) This one, “…the...
Absolutely. He could be. And when he overturned the money-changers tables he was definitely pretty wild. But the first word in the Torah seems to be speaking of "establishing" things, "founding" things, foundations, creations, etc.. Context is pretty important when words have so many legitimate...
Actually, there is something hidden in בראשית. The rosh ראש is hidden in the beit בית, and the alef א is hidden in the rosh ראש.
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Do you see what this pyramid-looking evolution implies? I.e., that what's alleged to be the first word in the written Torah (according to the...
This is a man instituted doctrine. Regardless, the Trinity doctrine states something to this effect: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are each without a beginning has existed for an eternity, not created, and equal. In other words, each is neither greater nor lesser than the other. How is the...
That sounds petty.
The Watchtower gave their own examples of similes. Did you write the organization or give them a "who cares" response during book study?:
Scripture can inspire Ely. It can inspire us to think, it can inspire us to act, and it can inspire us to write. If God can inspire...
I’ve made it clear the Wisdom in Prov. 8 is a great example of an encomium. As such, the woman is not literal.
I couldn’t agree with you more!
Which is why I don’t believe the woman is literal. Let’s looks at Proverbs 8 again, using terms you've used before:
It “is nothing more than...
Thank goodness you finally see sense and realise that opposing truth gets you nowhere.
Ignoring the evidence I submitted to you does not diminish the validity of the evidence.
The trinitarian creeds declare that ‘Jesus’ was BEGOTTEN OF GOD before the ages.
All Trinitarians are required to...
When I said I wasn’t in a position to answer every one of your points it was because I was engaged in another task that would take a long time to get through. I posted as implied response to fit in with the time I could spare.
And as for the rest of what you are trying to say: It’s all the same...
I totally agree with you on this, but it begs the question: Why did you choose a Debate Forum? Posting unsubstantiated claims or opinions are great for Message Boards but they fall short on a Debate Forum.
In a Debate Forum you are expected to defend your position, preferably with logic or an...
What first comes to mind is John 6:44-46 because unless the Father 'who sent Jesus' draws the person....
Jesus was sent to Earth from Heaven by his Heavenly Father i find at John 11:42 B; John 17:8 B
The pre-human Jesus is one of the 'us' mentioned at Genesis 1:26.
So, pre-human Jesus had to be...
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God Almighty’s first creation was his “only-begotten Son” (John 3:16), “the beginning of the creation by God.” (Revelation 3:14) This one, “the firstborn of all creation,” was used by God in creating all other things, those in the heavens and those upon the earth, “the things visible and...
Yes, pre-human heavenly Jesus was with his God according to John at Revelation 3:14 B
In other words, Jesus was " IN " the beginning but Jesus was Never ' before ' the beginning as his God was.
Pre-human heavenly Jesus was created - Proverbs8:22; 8:30
Whereas, God is from everlasting meaning...