I believe there will never be enough evidence for one that believes evolution is true, until they first deal with the root Belief of every atheists core belief! And that is...there is NO god!
No. That is not the core belief of atheism.
There are several subsets of atheism. Belief that there is no God, ie: "hard atheism," is one of them, but it's not the core belief. The core belief -- the
definitive belief -- is the
one thing common to all subsets:
lack of belief.
so then, No matter what evidence is shown or given that there is intelligent design, there will always be the perception that it is wrong.
No, that's wrong, too. Atheism's an abstract, logic-based rejection of a proposition, based on the fact that theism has not met its burden of proof. As soon as theism can do so, atheists, being reasonable, will have no reasonable choice but to accept it.
Our world view determines our core beliefs.
Fair enough. And the most accurate predictor of religious belief is the belief of family and social group, not facts, reason, or critical analysis.
To the one who Believes in God, it only makes logical and intelligent sense that with everything man has ever designed and imagined, to list simply a hand full, i.e. phones, vehicles, books, pencils, paper, computers, websites
etc., that these were infact designed, made by intelligent thought, and not put together by accident or chance, and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong that a car, a book, computers etc., can thru millions, hey how about billions of years of chance can somehow create themselves......
So if these and the thousands of other things we (man) have created (logically speaking) could not come into being by chance, how in the world can anyone (logically speaking) believe that we humans, not to mention all the thousand of other living organisms, came into existence by CHANCE!
Good explanation of theism's famous Watchmaker Argument. It's been extensively refuted. It relies on a false correlation of mechanisms behind the complexity.
Purposive intelligence is not the only mechanism by which functional complexity may come about, and while personal incredulity may have been understandable before the mechanisms of evolution and physiology were discovered and verified, there is no longer a good excuse for ignorance of this alternate mechanism.
Moreover, even absent the knowledge of evolution and physiology, positing magic and an uncaused, intentional, magician would be unevidenced and
non sequitur.
The mathematical probability for that is so far beyond a number anyone could ever calculate, that is simply does not make sense to believe that.
It does when a demonstrable, alternative mechanism has been demonstrated.
Q: how would these probabilities be calculated?
AND all this came into being (according to the evolution Theory, NOT SCIENCE) With no Purpose, no thought for BEING! Because if evolution which is really FAITH BASED is true, we came from nothing and we will all end up being............ NOTHING!
Evolution is not faith-based, as you should know. Unlike magic poofing, it's mechanisms are easily observed and verified.
"Came from nothing and will end up being nothing?!" First, how does this follow from evolution? Second, who ever claimed we came from nothing?
Third, so what? Why is "being something" such a concern for you, and why do you consider it
sine qua non?
I am not saying this to insult you Estro, but really would like to know..........IF THAT IS THE CASE, that there is no God who has created and designed us for PURPOSE, where as we have a written account in which he clearly says that he did infact create us, and created us for a reason,
We have hundreds of "written accounts," from many religions and mythologies, most disagreeing with each other. They are not evidence based or tested, so how are they any more believable than the orcs and hobbits from
Lord of the Rings?
Your narrative follows from premises you have not logically or factually demonstrated. What empirical evidence do you have for this "God?"
WHY please tell me, why would anyone even CARE TO ASK the QUESTION Estro!
There is no hope in the belief of evolution, no sense of Purpose, no Future, except a for a few hard decades of existence then death! And our whole existence then ends up becoming NOTHING!
And how is this obsessive need for purpose and significance evidence for anything? It's epistemic nonsense.
I don't want to live in that world, and that World View is the reason for so much hopelessness and fear in this world!
Again, so what? Are you a child, who still needs a strong father protecting you to feel secure?
Why would a world with no religious conflict or coercion; no threat of Hell, so distress you?
