You haven't found that every version of Christianity, plus non-Christian religions that came after, all claim to have the correct interpretation of the Bible?
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The Second Coming?
- Thread starter Eddi
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You haven't found that every version of Christianity, plus non-Christian religions that came after, all claim to have the correct interpretation of the Bible?
The Kilted Heathen
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I know people have been claiming Jesus would be coming back for hundreds of years, and so far no show.
The Bab was also a Lamb, but also a Elijah and a Messenger.
The word everyone is the Issue.
I am not aware of any Baha'i that thinks they have the right interpretation, or that they are able to interpret the Bible.
I can offer that Baha'is will have accepted that the Bab and Baha'u'llah, were able to Interpret the Bible and that Abdul'Baha and Shoghi Effendi were able to further expand on what was offered by the Bab and Baha'u'llah.
I see the same for Islam. Muhammad was able.ro offer interpretation, some of the Imam would have been able to expand somewhat upon those explanations, but no believers are able to interpret.
It is the same for Christians. Jesus was able to explain the Tanaka, the Disciples would have been able to expand somewhat upon those interpretations, but subsequent believers are not able to remove the seals.
The best we can do is to share, if there is no interpretation available, our thoughts upon those scriptures. It should never have been the cause of division.
Regards Tony
There are many, equally evidenced, equally plausible scenarios.
No no, I didn't say everyone does. Your religion does, though. Your prophets did. And their divergent interpretations are certainly a source of the division between you and the Christians and Muslims whose interpretations preceded your religion's.
I thought He was coming in the clouds.
You're supporting your case by quoting folklore, again.
But don't the teachings of The Silmarillion disagree; and the Marduk Prophecy paints a whole different picture, as well. How would you counter these?
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I would say predictions are part of the process that we can use to validate the evidence. So it would be a mechanism we can use to apply justice, using logic and reasoning.
I see reality is relative to our state of mind, and does change as we discover more and more. This is why one can embrace or reject a Messenger of God, as it depends on ones chosen frames of references and their current state of mind.
Most likely a topic that can have any tangents.
Regards Tony
I see reality as identical to the reality that existed before the Sun coalesced or Earth formed.
Thank you for your thought-out reply. An inquiring mind wants to know.
I'll start with John 14:19 because Jesus said the world would behold him No more. (see Jesus no more)
Resurrected Jesus became invisible by the cloud cover at Acts of the Apostles 1:9-11
In the same ' disappearing ' manner, Jesus became invisible by the cloud cover.
See with the mind's eye (understand) by what is going on.
See because of Jesus' great power and glory (at Jesus' coming Glory Time found at Matthew 25:31-34)
Great power as in action described at Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-15; Mark 13:26
P.S. the soldiers that pierced Jesus are still sleeping in the grave til Resurrection Day - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
As Scripture believes, Jesus is a resurrected Spirit Person - Hebrews 9:24; Revelation 3:12 - www.jw.org
Seems to me that people have been saying that for a thousand years plus.
That does Not make the Bible as wrong just the calculations or guesses as wrong.
First: Matthew 24:14 would have to be completed on an international global scale as now being done today.
Then: the powers in charge will be saying, " Peace and Security..." (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3) which is the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus takes the action of Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-15
That is when war will stop throughout the Earth. Jesus as Prince of Peace will usher in Global Peace on Earth.
- Psalms 46:9; Micah 4:3-4
And it's true, they didn't. But that doesn't change the fact that he predicted (according to the NT) that he would come again, and that his coming would be clearly visible.
If it says he visibly floated up into the clouds and would return the same way, the obvious meaning of that is that he would visibly descend from the clouds again some day. Christians the world over have always believed this. Even your own sect did until their predictions about 1914 didn't go as prophesied.
It's weird that you interpret "see" literally in John but in all these other verses you interpret it metaphorically. And even metaphorically, you would be wrong about 1914. All people did not understand that Jesus came back invisibly to Earth in 1914. So that just doesn't work any way you slice it.
And yet Paul says that resurrection will coincide with Jesus' second coming. (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17) So if the resurrection hasn't happened...guess what hasn't happened either?
rational experiences
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Romes new written advice.
About 800 years after agreed zero time count 0.
Said would return sacrifice a second time about 1000 years.
Baha'i said it was gained.
Shroud of Turin said European man body DNA sacrificed.
Baha'i said manifestation as cloud cooled recurred. They were still ok.
Proving that men live attacked but not attacked in one caused event.
So cloud mass was removed. Cloud mass was put back.
But not the actual CH origin mass we waited for. A non burning attack. A different stated event are all false CH rist returns.
Historic only the man who wrote old testimonials had healed. Humanity itself was still DNA healing. Told you why he was enabled as higher conscious emerged in DNA healing. Just his.
Ignored subject of self advice.
In other words origin upper heavens protection for origin DNA returned is not yet active. Don't believe false Christ events.
About 800 years after agreed zero time count 0.
Said would return sacrifice a second time about 1000 years.
Baha'i said it was gained.
Shroud of Turin said European man body DNA sacrificed.
Baha'i said manifestation as cloud cooled recurred. They were still ok.
Proving that men live attacked but not attacked in one caused event.
So cloud mass was removed. Cloud mass was put back.
But not the actual CH origin mass we waited for. A non burning attack. A different stated event are all false CH rist returns.
Historic only the man who wrote old testimonials had healed. Humanity itself was still DNA healing. Told you why he was enabled as higher conscious emerged in DNA healing. Just his.
Ignored subject of self advice.
In other words origin upper heavens protection for origin DNA returned is not yet active. Don't believe false Christ events.
Walter and Debbie
Member
Hello Eddi, The Second Comming Of Christ: Matthew 24:27-31, Parable Of The Fig Tree: Matthew 24:32-35, Illustration Of The Days Of Noah: Matthew 24:36-44, Illustration Of The Two Servants: Matthew 24:45-51.
Love, Walter and Debbie
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Brian2
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Yes we are told to always be ready. We are also told that nobody knows when Jesus is coming back. (1844 cannot have been correct).
What you say about Christians having the same attitude the learned Jews had is not logical. It is what any false Christ can say when Christians who use the scriptures to recognise a false Christ, reject that false Christ. It means nothing.
Read the Bible and your brain and see that Baha'u'llah wants to change the plain meaning of the scriptures to deceive people.
Acts 1:9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
Brian2
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You gave scriptures which have nothing to do with that.
Brian2
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Read the scriptures I gave. The Bible speaks of Jesus in those places.
I don't think that when he ascended 2000 years ago, that the fact was universally observed.
In the same way, his descent from Heaven on his Return may also not be universally observed.
I think it should be sufficient that if he can convince a majority of people that he is indeed the Christ and has descended from Heaven, that should be sufficient to assure us of his authenticity. There will of course be some (or even many) who will never believe.
Brian2
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I agree that not all people saw Jesus ascend but according to the scripture below all people of the earth will see Him on the clouds of heaven. (this won't include the dead who have not been raised yet ) However many will be deceived by false Christs (Matt 24:11) and I would say that a reason for that is that they don't realise that when Jesus does come back there won't be any need for Him to be announced by people who believe he has come back, everyone will be aware of it.
Anyone who comes and has to be announced by those who have heard he is here, or who has to send messages to world leaders etc to let people know Christ is back, is a false Christ.
Matt 24:24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. .......................................
Matt 24:30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.