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No Slack
Good grief. This has nothing to do with creationist. Get your head out of the gutter.
The virus or vaccine has nothing to do with god or creationist.
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Federal Appeals Court Upholds Blocking Vaccine and Testing Mandate
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The virus or vaccine has nothing to do with god or creationist.
We Never Know
No Slack
Evidently you didn't read the link because you didn't have time between your reply. So read it and tell me who caught them.
I gave the link to the thread. Here is the link to the article.
Covid-19: Researcher blows the whistle on data integrity issues in Pfizer’s vaccine trial
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I believe the independent physicians and surgeons.
They don't have their credentials held hostage at the mercy of political healthcare organizations that controls what they can and cannot say.
I agree with the Israeli study that there is no superior vaccine to natural immunity.
It's a load of BS that vaccines provide better immunity and that assessment is backed by fully credentialed and educated professionals such as those in Israel as evidenced by your link.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It says that a researcher was the one that blew the whistle. That doesn't sound like a conspiracy theorist to me. In fact the article is an example of why fraud is rather rare in any sort of genuine research. People of integrity are too ready and eager to report it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
This is a basic science and information thing. It's not everyone has their studies. Who's studies are being replicated? Are there any special interests funding the research? Are their methodological errors with it?
In this regard the overwhelming consensus is prior infection or not the vaccine is the beat way to go.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
In larger trends no studies are uniform. This is why we replicate tests and adjust variables, amd ultimately build perpetually upon non-uniform research as we learn knew things and fine-tune our knowledge of nature.
It's only a problem whem you don't know science is supposed to be that way. It functions and thrives based on being shown wrong. But the vast majority of research, from a broad source of researches across the globe and institutions, all consistently show a larger trend of the vaccines working pretty damn well and being far safer than the covid virus itself.
And that immunity wanes over time. And to build natural immunity you would need to actually suffer through various strains of the virus to begin with. Some of which are pretty horrific.
Do you think it’s better to face the full force of Scarlett Fevor or Whooping Cough than getting a mild variant by way of vaccination? Because that’s literally what vaccination does. All vaccines. It teaches your immune system in a healthy way, how to recognise and defeat certain illnesses. So if you are vaccinated against say chicken pox and you get chicken pox, all that will happen is you will experience a very mild version of it. Because your immune system has already been trained to detect and defeat it. That’s usually seen as preferable than actually experiencing the disease full blast.
And as to the fast rate of the current vaccines. Did everyone just forget that we have like 2 centuries worth of vaccination research to fall back on? Like we are not starting from scratch here guys. Seriously. Wtf????
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tytlyf
Not Religious
You'll believe people that aren't epidemiologists. People that don't have any expertise in the field. That's dangerous. You'll get hustled that way.
House Subcommittee Investigates America's Frontline Doctors, Telehealth Provider
Medical boards are still struggling to discipline doctors who spread COVID-19 myths
PureX
Veteran Member
The talking heads on FOX and right wing radio, of course, because they tell us what we WANT to hear.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Of course what I love is when they ask "What does OSHA have to do with health?"
Perhaps we'll see OSHA's power curbed too.
That would be useful.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I would not disagree with you too much there. Though a lot of their work is very valuable sometimes they take things to an extreme.
This ruling by the Fifth Circuit was no surprise. Coming up this week (Tuesday as I recall) there will be a literal lottery to determine which of the sundry Circuit Court cases will become the consolidated one for consideration. At that point all the other Circuit appeals case will be put on hold except the one selected by the lottery. Should the Fifth Circuit case be the chosen case it’s stay may extend nationwide while its case moves forward. Only after whichever Circuit Court’s case is complete will it move on to a likely Supreme Court hearing.
Good. I’m not anti-vax but I’m pro-choice. I encourage people to get it if they want. But I don’t want to be told I have to.
How many vaccines need to be developed for any strains that may evolve?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That's why there is peer review.
A few published papers ought to help settle the matter.
Thank you for sharing an important description of how scientific studies should be understood. I've had three vaccinations (three Pfizer) vaccinations.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It is getting close to the time where I should get a booster. I had two shots of Moderna and Covid19 itself about a half a year before that.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Like flu it may become an annual event. Flue vaccines are developed for new strains every year. No one complains that this is done too quickly.
Oh, it may become an annual event. I see.