War, the final battle.

loverofhumanity · Mar 4, 2021

exchemist said:
For a start, I don't buy the premise.

You make a number of remarkable claims that require to be supported. I see no evidence that the "rule of nations" has failed. Nor do I see evidence that our material civilisation has failed. What I see in general is progress in human affairs, by degrees and not monotonically, but progress nonetheless.

What constitutes "failure", in your view? And on what basis do you forecast that some kind of apocalyptic battle between good and evil is imminent?

Almost 40 killed in Myanmar, including children, as Australian caught up in bloody protests

Yeah sure. Killing people, children on the streets is progress right? This is evidence when an elected government is overthrown by tyrants and war criminals who then begin to massacre their own people.

Have you seen the video where ambulance an man was bashed to death by the butt of a military rifle? And this is supposed to be a Buddhist nation? This is your progress? I challenge it but I can’t post the videos here as they are too violent.

I see videos daily of innocent people killed, the other day a 19 year old girl shot in the head. You want evidence then give me your messenger name and I can forward to you overwhelming evidence.

TransmutingSoul · Mar 4, 2021

9-10ths_Penguin said:
And I say that each believer in God constructs their own version of God based on what they think is good and right.

So whose "calamity" are you looking forward to?

I look forward for the most great justice for all those that are persecuted and suffer at the hands of others.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 4, 2021

Fallen Prophet said:
There will be natural disasters and bloodshed before Christ comes again.

After He comes there will be a thousand years of peace.

Then the Final Battle will take place - where Christ will win and the Earth will be celestialized.

It may be, that the issue is, we missed the return.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 4, 2021

sun rise said:
Nothing lasts forever including civilizations. They are born, grow, reach maturity and eventually die.

And just like everything else, their longevity and health can be nurtured and enhanced.

Thus we have been warned what our age faces, we have been warned that there are consequences for unbridled Nationalism, Prejudices and disunity.

Materialism is devouring the soul of man. So what will be the consequences?

Regards Tony

Trailblazer · Mar 4, 2021

Fallen Prophet said:
There will be natural disasters and bloodshed before Christ comes again.

After He comes there will be a thousand years of peace.

Then the Final Battle will take place - where Christ will win and the Earth will be celestialized.

Jesus is never coming back to earth, as he clearly stated in the following verses.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

There is not one verse in the entire New Testament wherein Jesus promised to return to earth. You cannot make a verse be there that is not there. Jesus finished the work that God gave Him to do so there is no reason why Jesus would ever come back. Christians wanting Jesus to come back is not going to bring Jesus back.

The reason Jesus has not come back is not because He was delayed. All the prophecies for the return of Christ were fulfilled in the 19th century, as was proven in this book: William Sears, Thief in the Night

Jesus was a Comforter and He said the Father would send another Comforter and the Spirit of Truth and that is exactly what the Father did. That was the return of Christ that everyone was waiting for but most people missed.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for hedwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

oldbadger · Mar 4, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
A great battle is unfolding.

Religious orthodoxy has failed. The rule of Nations has failed. Our material civilization has failed.

The war between what is good and what is not good is approaching a final battle.

It brings verse 30 of the Quran to light

"Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah."

What is your vision of the future of this world?

Regards Tony

When I awoke this morning all was light and happiness, the ducks were quacking and the little hounds yapping for breakfast.......... and then I read your doom and gloom Tony.

The World has looked decidely dodgy on many occasions in the past. Much more dodgy than it looks today. So cheer up and may you wake up in the morning as cheerfully as I felt this morning here.

Your God is not listening, not there, cannot help. How do I know this? Because God didn't help in Cambodia, or Burma, or Northern Ireland, or Rwanda, Tony.

God is so vast that he does not notice us. So let's get on with it.

Trailblazer · Mar 4, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
It may be, that the issue is, we missed the return.

"We" the Baha'is did not miss it, the Christians missed it.

TransmutingSoul · Mar 4, 2021

oldbadger said:
When I awoke this morning all was light and happiness, the ducks were quacking and the little hounds yapping for breakfast.......... and then I read your doom and gloom Tony.

The World has looked decidely dodgy on many occasions in the past. Much more dodgy than it looks today. So cheer up and may you wake up in the morning as cheerfully as I felt this morning here.

Your God is not listening, not there, cannot help. How do I know this? Because God didn't help in Cambodia, or Burma, or Northern Ireland, or Rwanda, Tony.

God is so vast that he does not notice us. So let's get on with it.

Yes indeed let's get on with making peace for all people.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 4, 2021

Trailblazer said:
"We" the Baha'is did not miss it, the Christians missed it.

What I always consider is that we may not have embraced the required importance of this message, nor practiced in a way that could have changed the world.

Regards Tony

Trailblazer · Mar 4, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
What I always consider is that we may not have embraced the required importance of this message, nor practiced in a way that could have changed the world.

Regards Tony

I not only consider that, but sadly, I believe it is true. I think very few Baha'is living in these modern times have embraced the importance if this message, and meanwhile......

“The vitality of men’s belief in God is dying out in every land; nothing short of His wholesome medicine can ever restore it. The corrosion of ungodliness is eating into the vitals of human society; what else but the Elixir of His potent Revelation can cleanse and revive it? Is it within human power, O Hakím, to effect in the constituent elements of any of the minute and indivisible particles of matter so complete a transformation as to transmute it into purest gold? Perplexing and difficult as this may appear, the still greater task of converting satanic strength into heavenly power is one that We have been empowered to accomplish. The Force capable of such a transformation transcendeth the potency of the Elixir itself. The Word of God, alone, can claim the distinction of being endowed with the capacity required for so great and far-reaching a change.”

Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 200

blü 2 · Mar 4, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
What is your vision of the future of this world?

Decency. Respect. Inclusion. Kindness. High quality education. A level playing field for the individual and for nations. Order and rationality.

Indeed, we're H sap sap, a variety of gregarious animal, and we're quicker than I'd wish to think tribally and personally, rather than expansively and impartially. Our collective stupidity over global warming, which has been an active topic since at least the 1970s, is depressing too.

I think capitalism has great advantages, but the new monopolists are not taking the world where we need to go, and that's one field where action would be helpful.

Sgd,
NotHoldingMyBreath
Earth.,

TransmutingSoul · Mar 4, 2021

blü 2 said:
Decency. Respect. Inclusion. Kindness. High quality education. A level playing field for the individual and for nations. Order and rationality.

Well done blu 2

Regards Tony

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 4, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
The rule of Nations has failed. Our material civilization has failed.

How so?

What is your vision of the future of this world?

More globalization, more blending of cultures, more secular humanism, more human rights.

And as a "response" to that, more pushback from fascists, racists and religious extremists.

If those trends trigger battles, then those battles will be started by the fascists, racists and religious extremists. And we already see that today, with islamic terrorism and the rise of violence in context of religious fascists and conspiracy theorists in the US.

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 4, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
They are not really mine, though the comments are based on my understanding of what was warned against.

I can say there is much written, it is up to us to consider those warnings.

Regards Tony

You continue to dodge answering the actual question.

exchemist · Mar 4, 2021

loverofhumanity said:
Almost 40 killed in Myanmar, including children, as Australian caught up in bloody protests

Yeah sure. Killing people, children on the streets is progress right? This is evidence when an elected government is overthrown by tyrants and war criminals who then begin to massacre their own people.

Have you seen the video where ambulance an man was bashed to death by the butt of a military rifle? And this is supposed to be a Buddhist nation? This is your progress? I challenge it but I can’t post the videos here as they are too violent.

I see videos daily of innocent people killed, the other day a 19 year old girl shot in the head. You want evidence then give me your messenger name and I can forward to you overwhelming evidence.

And you think, for some reason, this is a new development in human affairs?

You might as well point to the continuing deaths from cancer and use that to argue there has been no progress in medicine.

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 4, 2021

loverofhumanity said:
Almost 40 killed in Myanmar, including children, as Australian caught up in bloody protests

Yeah sure. Killing people, children on the streets is progress right? This is evidence when an elected government is overthrown by tyrants and war criminals who then begin to massacre their own people.

Have you seen the video where ambulance an man was bashed to death by the butt of a military rifle? And this is supposed to be a Buddhist nation? This is your progress? I challenge it but I can’t post the videos here as they are too violent.

I see videos daily of innocent people killed, the other day a 19 year old girl shot in the head. You want evidence then give me your messenger name and I can forward to you overwhelming evidence.

He didn't say that no attrocities in the world occur today.
So your "argument" is really just a strawman.

exchemist · Mar 4, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Progress seems to run alongside the destruction of other ways.

Even though medicine does a lot of good on the other hand I think that modern medicine has also caused of a lot of our issues. I see we are changing genetics, which is playing with things we are yet to fully understand, we overuse drugs and antibiotics and medical procedures etc.

There are so many poisons we have put into the system, it is scary to consider how much illness we have caused.

A balance needs to be drawn, the future of medicine will be interesting.

Regards Tony

What are these numerous poisons? Can you give concrete examples?

The fact that life expectancy has rocketed up, all over the world, over the last century, is proof that whatever poisons you have in mind, they are far outweighed by real progress in human health.

exchemist · Mar 4, 2021

Vinayaka said:
Here's a list of 14 forgotten diseases, because of vaccines. Polio is at the top of the list. 14 Diseases You Almost Forgot About (Thanks to Vaccines)

(In the 40s and 50s, polio killed or permanently maimed over half a million people per year.)

Absolutely.

And this does not address the many millions of lives saved via the, now routine use of antibiotics, which did not even exist until the middle of the c.20th. (Like most advances, this is not without its own problems, viz. bacterial resistance, but the progress has been indisputable.)

exchemist · Mar 4, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I personally do not see an end of the world, but a great change will happen.

I see this is written in all scripture and as such will unfold for each civilisation that builds a material civilization that does not look after the welfare of all peoples.

Regards Tony

"A great change will happen." Well, no s***!

That's a pretty safe - and wholly uninformative - prediction for anyone to make, at any period of history.

TransmutingSoul · Mar 4, 2021

exchemist said:
"A great change will happen." Well, no s***!

That's a pretty safe - and wholly uninformative - prediction for anyone to make, at any period of history.

I can assure you, there ample ample warnings given.

This is worth a thought.

"There is in existence a stupendous force, as yet, happily undiscovered by man. Let us supplicate God, the Beloved, that this force be not discovered by science until spiritual civilization shall dominate the human mind. In the hands of men of lower nature, this power would be able to destroy the whole earth."

Shoghi Effendi, Japan Will Turn Ablaze, p. 51

Regards Tony

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