mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, I play with non-religious humans mainly. He is a self-described theist.
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Why do some Atheists, Christians, Hindu's etc., believe in Islamic ahadith so passionately?
- Thread starter firedragon
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No, I play with non-religious humans mainly. He is a self-described theist.
ecco
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Please explain.
ecco
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Your answer did not address my question.
If you can't see that, then there is really no point in continuing.
ETA Perhaps you wanted me to explain why you couldn't/did not want answer my question?
Augustus
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You're not going to read a 2 sentence post to work out why you completely misunderstood the OP and mocked him based on your own failing? Instead you will write a 3 sentence post explaining why you prefer to be wrong. Interesting.
You believed the OP was lying based on no evidence, and even when it was pointed out to you why your belief was obviously wrong you chose to spend more effort maintaining it than it would have taken to correct it.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
My question.
Your answer.
Now here is my question based on your answer: How do you do right/good and wrong/bad if you do such behavior?
Context: You must according to your answer answer with evidence, if you do morality and/or ethics in effect. You don't have to do that, because you could be amoral.
You should not rely on me or anyone not appointed by God for that, you should seek the answer from the doors of God he wants us to enter by and hold on to his rope by which guidance is achieved.
ecco
Veteran Member
OK, I'll play your silly game, for a while. Here is the post you wanted me to look at.
What does that have to do with the "conversation" written in the OP being made-up nonsense?
Person A is not a Muslim. From the title of the OP person A could be an atheist. I am an atheist.
Person B is asking an atheist (person A) why he believes that hadith.
Person A responds that he believes that hadith "Because Muslims do". That is nonsense. What atheist would assert that he believes a hadith. What atheist would assert that he believes a hadith because Muslims believe it.
If you can't show a comment from an atheist that says he believes some hadiths, then your involvement here is a complete fail.
I never used the term lying. I've been posting in this forum for many years and this is not my first forum. You are completely wrong when you say my comments were without evidence. The evidence is that I have never seen an atheist say he believed in any hadiths. And, obviously, neither have you.
ETA I went back to the thread you reference and found the response to your remark: "poppycock".
Augustus
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It's an example of exactly what the OP is saying. that you don't understand why it is an example is the same reason you don't understand the OP, it requires a small amount of background knowledge that you appear to be missing.
My prediction that if I searched your name + Muhammad then I'd find you doing it turned out to be correct, so I'll go one better and quote you doing it:
This is the bit of background knowledge you are lacking: The only sources for this stuff are the same Islamic traditions (hadith/sira) that have Muhammad splitting the moon. The only evidence it is true is because Muslims say it is true, there is no other evidence whatsoever.
That is the point of the OP that you missed: people who insist the Islamic traditions are unreliable in general then go on to treat them as reliable whenever it is convenient to their argument.
Obviously, you have seen many atheists doing this and have done so yourself, you just didn't understand it at the time.
Something tells me you won't understand even now. You can lead a horse to water and all that.
Yes, he was wrong for the same reason you are. Unfortunately neither of you want to understand why.
Ooo! Thats hot! Looks like you got him!
We have "winner" etc, by why not "Hero"? Augustus is this thread's Hero!
InvestigateTruth
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Ok, true, I misunderstood your last post.
If you feel some non Muslims cherry pick some hadithes, this could be due to a motive, such as disproving Islam.
But it is their problem. All can be done, is to inform them the proper evaluation of each hadith, case by case, and that is evaluating against the standard of Quran.
Just my view.
By which you mean, "it's totally relevant" ?
firedragon
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If you think like that, its your baby.
ecco
Veteran Member
Find me doing what? Did you find me saying or intimating that I actually believed the passage I quoted? No.
From time to time I quote passages from the Bible talking about the Great Flood. That doesn't mean I believe in the Great Flood.
From time to time I quote Donald Trump saying that the virus will just magically disappear. That doesn't mean I believe Covid 19 is going to just magically disappear.
You are partly right - there is no other evidence whatsoever. However, as an atheist, I don't accept the beliefs of some Muslims as evidence of anything whatsoever. Likewise, I don't accept the beliefs of Donald Trump as evidence of anything whatsoever.
Beliefs are not evidence.
That is the point of my argument that you missed: I never treat them as reliable. Quoting from them or the writings of Ballulah, or the writings of the Bible, or the rhetoric of Donal Trump or the writings of the Koran or the Hadiths does not imply that I treat them as reliable. That should be clear to anyone who understands language usage.
If you believe my quoting these sources (in context), implies that I believe them, then I might suggest that you have a problem understanding language. However, I don't think that is the problem in your case. I'll leave it at that.
See above.
firedragon
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So basically you mean to say you dont believe a hadith but you quote it as historical fact?
firedragon
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Where you said this below, you were not quoting some hadith as historical fact right? You were just quoting what someone else said like quoting Donald trump saying something about the Covid 19 vaccine. SO you are admitting that you dont believe this happened, or at least you are not sure this happened, but you just said it because someone else said it. Right?
A very sweet man who "forcefully converted " most of the Arabian Peninsula to his new faith"
Muhammad and the Faith of Islam [ushistory.org]
Muhammad fought a number of battles against the people of Mecca. In 629, Muhammad returned to Mecca with an army of 1500 converts to Islam and entered the city unopposed and without bloodshed. Before his death two years later, he forcefully converted most of the Arabian Peninsula to his new faith and built a small empire.
How do you think that sweet man accomplished that forceful conversion?
Augustus
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We've been here before @firedragon. You are under the illusion that your conscious mind is in control, when in fact it's usually our unconscious brains that are in control.
firedragon
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Great. Thanks.