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Religion is not about judging others, it is about judging one self.
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Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Yes i am that guy
I have nothing wrong to say about other spiritual teachings or religions, but my reason that time to no longer cultivate the teaching of Falun Gong was that i saw that i was not able to follow it personally, it was to demanding for me, and i started to slip in to a very bad behaviour of anger and frustration.
Islam has for a long time been something i wanted to look in to and to learn the teaching of, so when i realized my life as a spiritual person was in a fall, i downloaded the Qur'an and started to read. And honestly my life changed from that same day. All the negative thoughts was gone and i saw life as love and compassion again.
And in the prosess i met a beautiful muslim woman who is now my girlfriend, with blessing from her family.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
My mother and family have often discussed this notion of "not judging" and then moments later we notice someone weird or whatever and pointing it out. Sometimes it was believed, superstitiously, that doing so can somehow invite the same thing or similar occurring to oneself so that one better empathizes and understands what they were commenting on or questioning about, as the human being is constantly reaching out and learning, even perhaps when and what they might not want to. The Qur'an has a verse somewhere that says something like, don't ask about what you don't want to know about or what you will be disturbed by hearing or something (as it is mainly arbitrary, and Allah can produce any experience anyway, and make any truth or falsehood true or false in an instant).
If anyone is interested in this book we are talking about, its the world famous book called the Qur'an, its also infamous, and it can be found in multiple translations and resources through www.islamawakened.com as well as with entire chapters (known as surahs) here: English translation of holy Quran - surah 1. The Opener - Al-Fatihah of 114
Some people who read it feel an intense hatred towards it, some people who read it see it as a jumble of words they can't comprehend as if it is encrypted and scrambled for them, some people end up emotionally arguing with it, some people feel like cool and gentle water is washing over them and the book gives them a sense of cleansing, others it gives utter peace, joy, and laughter.
Give it a try and see what strange effect it might have on you, like Harry Potter's Sorting Hat.
For me, it gives me total peace and relaxation, and makes me laugh. Others have reported that they despise it, find it horribly repetitive, personally insulted by it, while I find myself complimented by it, and I also find it the only book which seems to most thoroughly agree with me, encourage me, and give my confidence in ideas I already believed and wanted some back up on.
If anyone is interested in this book we are talking about, its the world famous book called the Qur'an, its also infamous, and it can be found in multiple translations and resources through www.islamawakened.com as well as with entire chapters (known as surahs) here: English translation of holy Quran - surah 1. The Opener - Al-Fatihah of 114
Some people who read it feel an intense hatred towards it, some people who read it see it as a jumble of words they can't comprehend as if it is encrypted and scrambled for them, some people end up emotionally arguing with it, some people feel like cool and gentle water is washing over them and the book gives them a sense of cleansing, others it gives utter peace, joy, and laughter.
Give it a try and see what strange effect it might have on you, like Harry Potter's Sorting Hat.
For me, it gives me total peace and relaxation, and makes me laugh. Others have reported that they despise it, find it horribly repetitive, personally insulted by it, while I find myself complimented by it, and I also find it the only book which seems to most thoroughly agree with me, encourage me, and give my confidence in ideas I already believed and wanted some back up on.
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I never thought of it that way
you are caught !
PureX
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In the story, those first humans were given all that they needed to be what they were created to be. They were, however, denied the "knowledge of good and evil", i.e., knowing the purpose for which they and all creation, exists. That knowledge was to remain with God, the Creator, alone.
But those first humans nevertheless took it into their heads that they could, and should be God's equals, and that they could and should possess the "knowledge of good and evil" (i.e., know the true purpose for all that is). But humans cannot take from God what God has forbidden them. So instead, the humans took into their minds a false pretense of this knowledge of good and evil, and it was based on their own needs and desires: what is "good" is whatever is good for themselves, and what is "evil" is whatever is bad for themselves. And with this internalized ideology, they began to pass judgment on everything they encountered, including themselves and each other. And thus, the turmoil and tribulations of mankind began, as we set about trying to "correct" creation to make it suit our own ideas of what is "good" and what is "evil". And from this false pretense of the knowledge of good and evil has come all manner of sin, suffering, and death.
Unfortunately, this message has not gotten through to many religious expressions of this ancient Abrahamic myth. And just the opposite has occurred: the presumption that God has endowed humanity with the sacred knowledge of good and evil through an adherence to religiosity. Making religion the falsely presumed divinity that drives humans to sin.
Yes i am that guy
I have nothing wrong to say about other spiritual teachings or religions, but my reason that time to no longer cultivate the teaching of Falun Gong was that i saw that i was not able to follow it personally, it was to demanding for me, and i started to slip in to a very bad behaviour of anger and frustration.
Islam has for a long time been something i wanted to look in to and to learn the teaching of, so when i realized my life as a spiritual person was in a fall, i downloaded the Qur'an and started to read. And honestly my life changed from that same day. All the negative thoughts was gone and i saw life as love and compassion again.
And in the prosess i met a beautiful muslim woman who is now my girlfriend, with blessing from her family.
The prayer (salat) is not dissimilar to the Falun Gong and Tai Chi and Buddhist meditative exercises and all that stuff humans have been doing throughout history, and if you fall back on it or can't keep up, there is a lot of leeway, mercy, and time perhaps that one may be given relief and be able to build up stamina, and its all for oneself anyway. It also feels very empowering. So you'll read the Qur'an, you'll hopefully stay close to the Qur'an and not become too absorbed by the Hadith or things written later which you'll see don't compare to the words of The Master (Allah), and you'll perhaps take up the meditative exercises of salat, expressing surrender mentally and physically, and you'll become a practicing Muslim, and you'll marry this lady (and its a good time to get married as soon as possible probably), and you will live a good and peaceful life as a good person, no matter what occurs, serving your wife and doing whatever is noble and knightly for her and your family and others, which is all really for yourself too, gaining and growing in merit and noor, insha'Allah (God Willing), and Allah only gives the enjoyment of the Qur'an and worship and the package of nobility and felicity to those Allah wants to give it to, and no one can do good or control their conduct except by Allah making it so, so one can constantly turn to God to ask for patience, strength, not to judge, not to feel rage, to be good to your likely near future wife, even to control others thoughts and behaviors towards you or around you, since your whole experience is being generated by Allah moment to moment right now, so to make her intensely love you, to make her family all love you and think of you as the best.
I use interacting with Allah and prayer almost like magic, and through it I garb myself in power and charisma by asking for such, and beauty, and all good gifts. Having Allah as a resource and free provider, its like having free illegal torrents at your fingertips, whatever you might want almost seems possible if Allah will give it. I have personally witnessed a number of tremendous miracles, even things that people would think are impossible and totally magical, things that Kung Fu or Taoist Masters would love to have had access to even, all through this Power which is independent and intelligent, while we are dependent upon it and whatever it decides to bring about or not.
What else? All the things the people say are the works of the devil. Money can be yours if you want it, or better things, like good days, health, and a happy and humorous experience.
Really excellent! I'm so glad I asked for the elaboration. I love the idea, and I will have to read this post over and over, and feel free to write more on it if there is any more, but I loved it, thank you for taking the time to write it out to me, I appreciate it tremendously!
"But those first humans nevertheless took it into their heads that they could, and should be God's equals, and that they could and should possess the "knowledge of good and evil" (i.e., know the true purpose for all that is).
But humans cannot take from God what God has forbidden them.
So instead, the humans took into their minds a false pretense of this knowledge of good and evil, and it was based on their own needs and desires:
what is "good" is whatever is good for themselves, and
what is "evil" is whatever is bad for themselves.
And with this internalized ideology, they began to pass judgment on everything they encountered, including themselves and each other.
And thus, the turmoil and tribulations of mankind began,
as we set about trying to "correct" creation to make it suit our own ideas of what is "good" and what is "evil".
And from this false pretense of the knowledge of good and evil has come all manner of sin, suffering, and death."
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
@The Artis Magistra
Thank you for your very kind words, i appreciate it.
I try to do the prayer 5 times a day, and since i do not speak arabic yet i have performed the prayer in english or Norwegian ( my mothertongue) but i am going to learn the full prayer in arabic.
There is so much to learn and understand as a new muslim, but the more time i spend on it the more i see result of the study
it become a way of life so to speak.Yes my focus is the Qur'an at the moment.
insha'Allah i can one day become a faithful muslim who work toward world peace and happiness for all people
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
The want of the knowledge of good and evil is a rotten choice when instead they could have eaten from the Tree of Life and lived forever. It says that God gave freely. And forbid only one motive. A simple command. They must have erroneously perceived God as a liar to go against him.
It seems the rest of the OT is man constantly turning away from God, or not even caring about God and God's ways. And only those who chose faith were given the Promise. That's my interpretation of be it.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
I find the only judgment I have to make is in choosing my company, or acquaintance. There are those that would carelessly do evil to me. I have to make such determinations to protect myself.
Sad to say the world has this problem.
I have even been through it. What does quran say about that?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I do not have the exact qoute in front of me, but it say something along the line of.
To not hold company with those who are only after harming you or your faith.
To be around righeroues people is of benefit to one self.
This is of course only my word so the exact wording in Qur'an is different
@The Artis Magistra
Thank you for your very kind words, i appreciate it.
I try to do the prayer 5 times a day, and since i do not speak arabic yet i have performed the prayer in english or Norwegian ( my mothertongue) but i am going to learn the full prayer in arabic.
There is so much to learn and understand as a new muslim, but the more time i spend on it the more i see result of the study
Yes my focus is the Qur'an at the moment.
insha'Allah i can one day become a faithful muslim who work toward world peace and happiness for all people
Praying to Allah in Norwegian like your ancestors before you! In my mind, Allah is none other than the true and only Germanic God.
Regnator omnium deus - Wikipedia
Crom Cruach - Wikipedia
"stood on Magh Slécht ("the plain of prostration") in County Cavan"
All of Europe, all of the World, the English speaking World, the Celtic World, the Germanic World, seemed to have familiarity with the Reality, and worshipped God variously through prostrations and groveling, all the way from the Aztec World, Africa, to the Ancient Indus and China with their worship in the form of the kowtowing to Shangdi.
Kowtow - Wikipedia
Shangdi - Wikipedia
You are encompassing all the religions through the religion of The One and Only One.
You are worshipping Allah, and in doing so, Amun, Shangdi, Gitche Manitou, Takami Musubi No Kami, Amatsu Mikaboshi, Ahura Mazda and Ahriman Alike, Odin, Tezcatlipoca, and every word that people have ever used to refer to the Greatest of All.
All over the place, the letters which pronounce "Uhlluh" were written. Alu (runic) - Wikipedia
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A bracteate discovered on the island of Funen, Denmark features incomprehensible and meaningful text. The bracteate is housed with many others at the National Museum of Denmark. The transcription reads:
houaz laþu aaduaaaliia a--[9]
ᚺᛟᚢᚨᛉ ᛚᚨᚦᚢ ᚨᚨᛞᚢᚫᚫᚫᛚᛁᛁᚨ ᚨ--
What is transcribed as a-- above has been tentatively read as alu. The word houaz has been interpreted as corresponding to Old Norse hávi "the high one", a name of Odin.[10] "
"A 3rd century silver fibula (DR EM85;123) from Værløse, Zealand, Denmark features a runic inscription on its pinholder that simply reads "alugod" followed by a swastika.[10] The Værløse Fibula is housed at the National Museum of Denmark."
Arabic Hidden In Viking Clothes Suggests Islamic Influence On Northern Europe
Even written into the clothes.
Read the Qur'an, and you'll find Odin, Thor, and all the rest, as the Thunder praises Allah in the Qur'an and Allah wields it by manipulating information, experience, and reality to strike with it who Allah wills, or controlling the Air or taking it from people, Loki whose name is Lopt or Lopt (like the word loft, or aloft), is also none other than Allah who controls the winds and air. All the Gods are finally done the appropriate honor as The One God, Encompassing All the Names and Epithets and Powers and Realities, Generating Everything, Controlling All! All-Ah! haha.
The Qur'an is a pretty common sense book, it presents a philosophy much like what you have presented, that many people can not be trusted and may have bad intentions, to be alert of this but also to maintain justice yourself, and to avoid bad company, as you yourself suggested, and since the Qur'an is full of such common sense, some people who read it find it confirming everything they ever wanted to hear or felt was really the case or true, without sugar-coating it either.
See for yourself at www.islamawakened.com or the 114 surahs at English translation of holy Quran - surah 1. The Opener - Al-Fatihah of 114
See if it really seems to agree with your thinking or if you find it to be in strong disagreement once you go through reading more of it, since there are big portions which discuss many things, but it won't be hard to notice or find if it matches up to your own thoughts or attitudes, as it does in my case for example.
PureX
Veteran Member
Mankind's original sin is hubris: presuming ourselves to be God's equals. Faith in God is the only pathway back to our right place in God's creation. But that's not faith in a religion that merely replaces man's hubris with it's own. That's faith in a God that knows the purpose of existence, and of our place within it, when we do not. Faith is not a pretense of divine knowledge. It's trust in the face of our LACK of divine knowledge. This is what too many versions of religion have lost sight of.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
