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Who Is Christ to You?

blü 2

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Premium Member
While our Christian members are welcome to answer, I'm mostly interested in responses from non-Christians.
The short answer is, Jesus.

There are a number of reasons to suspect he didn't exist in history, not least that there's not even one contemporary mention of him, and not one of the gospel writers ever met him; Paul wrote 20 years after the traditional date for the crucifixion, and Mark, the first gospel, is 45 years or so after that date. The only purported bio of him is Mark, and the other three gospels are just rewrites-to-taste of Mark (Paul saying virtually nothing biographical about him), and it's possible to account for Mark without needing a real Jesus. (The reason you don't need a real Jesus is that so much of Mark can be mapped onto passages of the Tanakh, so it's arguably as though our author was just moving his hero through scenes from the Tanakh that were on his list.)

But if he was an historical figure, then he most closely resembled Mark's ordinary Jew, not Matthew's and Luke's angelically announced, divinely conceived and virgin-born magical figure, or Paul's or John's heaven-born gnostic demiurge. And if the NT is any guide to him ─ which is not obvious ─ at a guess, his message was the same as John the Baptist's ─ Get Ready, The Kingdom will be Here Any Day Now; and he was perhaps crucified, we might further guess for offenses against public order and so routine that no one noticed.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
While our Christian members are welcome to answer, I'm mostly interested in responses from non-Christians.

As the Bible states. He is known as the Son of God, the Son of Man and a Prophet of God. I accept that these are all titles He is known by.

My understanding is that He was the Messiah the Jews awaited but failed to recognise due to their lack of understanding of the Torah.

I accept that He was conceived from a virgin but that His material body was a physical body that was subject to death and decay as with all of us.

I believe that He was crucified, died and His body hidden from the Jews but that soon after His passing, Mary and the disciples had visions of Him that the Jews didn’t kill His Reality which was the Holy Spirit within and it lived on.

Unfortunately though, I believe, that eventually myths and superstitions were woven around Him causing believers to no longer worship or follow God but descend into personality worshipping only the name of Jesus.

It is my firm belief, that this grave error and unfounded worship of Jesus name only, led His followers to reject subsequent Prophets which God sent and Jesus foretold such as Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah.

So my belief in Jesus is in His Reality, not personality worship, which would have most definitely turned me away from other Prophets God has sent since Christ. The Jesus I believe in is a Great Spiritual Teacher Who came to bring love into our lives, purify our hearts and raise us up from spiritual death to spiritual life.

I believe in the Jesus Who did not teach superiority or exclusivity but even prophesied the coming of Muhammad the Bab and Baha’u’llah. I believe personality worship is the main cause of Christians rejecting these recent Prophets of God.

I believe the mystical language in the Bible is there to test the believers and distinguish the sheep from the goats. The goats, I believe, see nothing but a literal interpretation. That Jesus walked on water, raised the dead, healed the sick and rose from the dead, all physically. To me, I believe that to be mere superstition.

Sure Jesus healed the spiritually ill by turning them back to God, sure He raised the spiritually dead back to spiritual life and sure His Spirit rose after His body died. He walked on the spirit which is one of the meanings of water.

The Jesus that I believe in was sent by God to purify our hearts and minds from worldly corruptions and desires and to teach us things like love, charity and forgiveness and a spiritual way of life.

I believe, that as a result and consequence of personality worship associated with Christianity, billions of Christians have missed His Second Coming because He returned with a ‘new name ‘ and a ‘new song’ and a new heaven and earth’. That is , a new religion with new teachings.

It is my belief, that to misunderstand Jesus true nature and fall into the trap of personality worship, has misled billions and prevented world peace and world unity.

But I also believe that Christians overall are fair minded and will eventually accept Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah as they have many sincere souls who will look with an open eye at possible mistakes of the past. God bless.
 

MonkeyFire

Well-Known Member
Yes and no.
If Jesus' nature is pacifism then why he speak of Jerusalem being destroyed, even her children?
And the Lord who said those who would not serve him were to be burned, or the foolish servant
was to be bound and cast in outer darkness?

Why does LOVE fall? Jesus was the true light of the world. Jesus was a human being, thus he too is of the fallen.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I am a Christian reformer/pacifist. I believe Jesus is not a real person but a manifestation of himself safe in Heaven, deeply meditated into a dream, which is this world. The nature of Jesus is pacifism.

I don't believe much of that is true. I believe Jesus in Heaven is visionary and not physical. I believe He is physically elsewhere.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I suppose my answer is kind of boring - Christ is a mythic* figure from Christian traditions who is of great significance and inspiration to followers of those paths. Like any sort of inspiration, what people take from it varies.

* to remind - I do not use the word "mythic" to designate lies or falsehoods, I use it the sense that is proper when discussions religion to reference larger-than-life stories/persons who convey profound truths.

I believe you are wrong about Him being mythical even with your redefinition.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I believe He is Lord God and Savior. I believe He is a christ also in that we are rescued from the end of the world.

The question was Who is Christ to you?

So your answer is saying,

I believe Jesus is a Christ and Christ is the Lord God and Saviour who will save us at world end.

So who do you see are the other 'Annointed Ones', the other Christs?

Regards Tony
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
While our Christian members are welcome to answer, I'm mostly interested in responses from non-Christians.

A person who may or may not have actually existed as a real person who had a small following that developed into a Jewish cult and then morphed into a larger religion mostly through spreading by way of sword and empire building by western nations.
 

MonkeyFire

Well-Known Member
I don't believe much of that is true. I believe Jesus in Heaven is visionary and not physical. I believe He is physically elsewhere.

I believe the opposite, I'm not real on this plane, I'm really in Heaven deeply meditated and this world is a dream.
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
While our Christian members are welcome to answer, I'm mostly interested in responses from non-Christians.

To me, Christ is another word for "Avatar" and I take Jesus to have been one manifestation of the Ancient One. From Meher Baba's Discourse "The Avatar":

The Avatar appears in different forms, under different names, at different times, in different parts of the world. As his appearance always coincides with the spiritual birth of man, so the period immediately preceding his manifestation is always one in which humanity suffers from the pangs of the approaching birth. Man seems more than ever enslaved by desire, more than ever driven by greed, held by fear, swept by anger. The strong dominate the weak; the rich oppress the poor; large masses of people are exploited for the benefit of the few who are in power. The individual, who finds no peace or rest, seeks to forget himself in excitement. Immorality increases, crime flourishes, religion is ridiculed.


Corruption spreads throughout the social order. Class and national hatreds are aroused and fostered. Wars break out. Humanity grows desperate. There seems to be no possibility of stemming the tide of destruction.

At this moment the Avatar appears...

https://www.ambppct.org/Book_Files/Discourses Vol III.pdf

I mostly agree with sun rise's view. In my advaitic perspective, Jesus is 'Realised' -- whether as an Avatara or as a man who came to know the Truth of fullness.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
"Christ" is not a 'who'. Jesus was a 'who'.

"Christ" is a realization. A revelation and a promise. First embodied by Jesus, and now available to all of us.

It is the revelation that we all have within us a reflection of our Divine Creator, as we are It's creation. Like the spirit of the sculptor comes to inhabit the works he creates. And with this revelation comes a promise: that if we will allow this divine spirit within us to fully become us, it will heal us and save us from ourselves, and help us to help heal and save others. And that divine spirit within us is the spirit of love, forgiveness, kindness, and generosity. And to the extent that we will allow ourselves to become the embodiment of these spiritual characteristics, the promises will manifest in us, and in the world.
 
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