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Original Ratios at Creation and Radioactive Decay dating
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dad
Undefeated
You did not back up your claims and offer vague worship spam for obviously belief aspects of science origins. This you do with attitude. You will be missed.
dad
Undefeated
No, I am not. I do not use their faith-based models at all.
dad
Undefeated
Original ratios at creation? You do not know. You assign dates based on ignoring creation and the former nature. We have your number and know your game.
dad
Undefeated
Your dreams are not science although you love to offer them as such. The origins belief-based models are baseless.. Facts outweigh dreams, get over it
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gnostic
The Lost One
You are again projecting your own beliefs and personal opinions upon others.
The only origins that are belief-based are -
- the Genesis’ Creation (Genesis 1, 2),
- Genesis’ Flood and Noah’s Ark (6, 7, 8),
- Genesis’ Tables of Nations and Nimrod (10),
- and Genesis’ Tower of Babel.
You don’t understand science, you don’t understand history, and you don’t understand even your own scriptures.
At best, the Bible is a book of theology and book of myths and traditions with only fractions that have historical values, which make the Bible unreliable as historical accounts.
But at worse, it continued to perpetrate Iron Age irrational superstitions being used as propaganda machines for even more irrational and unsubstantiated belief systems known as Young Earth Creationism (YEC).
The problems with followers of YEC, is the willingness of creationists to lie to make some points, such as what you have being doing all along.
The problems isn’t about theists vs atheists, and it isn’t even about Christians vs atheists.
No, there are number of Christians here, as well as other theists who disagreed with your irrational belief in YEC and disagreed with a number of your false claims about science and scientific evidence.
The only one making belief-based claims, is you, dad.
dad
Undefeated
Don't blame anyone else for the shortcomings and extreme limits and pursuance of religion and belief of origin 'sciences'.
If you understood you could debate issues. Instead, we see basically cheerleading infomercials for your chosen belief set.
Now you add a personal opinion about Scripture based on nothing at all and laced with ignorance and attitude.
Now a slur about peoples who lived in ancient times, and actual bible believers alive today. Again, worthless beak foam.
Now you add in some expected projection. A sure sign of advanced delusion.
Correct, the battle lines are truth and lie, God and the lying Serpent and their children.
And here you end it all with outright falsehood. If the same nature in the past is more than belief, then you are required to solidly support it. So far all you offered is splashing your beliefs onto evidence.
gnostic
The Lost One
@dad
You seemed to be focusing on the limitation of radiocarbon isotopes (C-14) for radiometric dating methods, and ignoring methods of other isotopes that can be used.
By using other isotopes you can determine how accurate or inaccurate C-14 method is, especially dealing with false reading that old carbon might give. By using these other methods and targeting at different isotopes, you can compare these methods, to find more precise dates.
@ChristineM have already shared a list of some of radioactive isotopes and their respective half-lives, but there are lot more isotopes that ChristineM haven’t shown. Such as K-Ar method potassium K-40 1.24, argon Ar-40. The lead to lead (Pb-Pb) dating have been used to date certain types of meteorites, as well as the age of the Earth. The only other method capable of measuring the age of the Earth is U-Pb method.
Some of the oldest objects in the Solar System are planetesimals, like asteroids and meteorite, because these objects haven’t undergone much changes (such as melting) since the formation of the Earth, and the interiors of meteorites would not have been contaminated by the Earth’s environments.
Also, other modern dating techniques can be used to date the layers of where remains, fossils or other artifacts were buried, that don’t use radiometric methods; these techniques are known as luminescence dating.
Basically they would date specific minerals (eg potassium feldspar, quartz) that have been sufficiently bleached by sunlight, before they are buried. Soil, sands and sedimentary rocks would contain trace elements of radioactive isotopes. Specialists would either use light, infrared or heat, depending on mineral types, to release any unstable trapped electrons in objects and measure the age, since the objects have been buried.
For quartz, either blue or green light can be used, this method is known as optical stimulated luminescence (OSL). OSL can measure any objects containing quartz, from 100 years to about 300,000 years.
While the infrared technique is called infrared stimulated luminescence (IRSL), can be used on any potassium feldspar minerals, which are commonly found in clay minerals. Since IRSL measure any clay minerals, therefore it is most useful in dating pottery and ceramic wares. The limit to IRSL is about 1 million year.
The other luminescence technique that doesn’t use light, but use heat to release unstable trapped electrons is thermoluminescence (TL). TL can measure any minerals, just as well as OSL & IRSL, but focused on objects that have been burned, like fired pottery.
Any of these techniques can be used not only the last 1 million years on rocks, but also archaeological objects, so it can date human activities, such as pottery, tombs or burials. All those luminescence techniques don’t suffer from false ages that occasionally contaminated with readings of radiocarbon dating.
Luminescence dating can confirm any radiometric dating methods in human history, which is what is needed for age verification.
You seemed to be focusing on the limitation of radiocarbon isotopes (C-14) for radiometric dating methods, and ignoring methods of other isotopes that can be used.
By using other isotopes you can determine how accurate or inaccurate C-14 method is, especially dealing with false reading that old carbon might give. By using these other methods and targeting at different isotopes, you can compare these methods, to find more precise dates.
@ChristineM have already shared a list of some of radioactive isotopes and their respective half-lives, but there are lot more isotopes that ChristineM haven’t shown. Such as K-Ar method potassium K-40 1.24, argon Ar-40. The lead to lead (Pb-Pb) dating have been used to date certain types of meteorites, as well as the age of the Earth. The only other method capable of measuring the age of the Earth is U-Pb method.
Some of the oldest objects in the Solar System are planetesimals, like asteroids and meteorite, because these objects haven’t undergone much changes (such as melting) since the formation of the Earth, and the interiors of meteorites would not have been contaminated by the Earth’s environments.
Also, other modern dating techniques can be used to date the layers of where remains, fossils or other artifacts were buried, that don’t use radiometric methods; these techniques are known as luminescence dating.
Basically they would date specific minerals (eg potassium feldspar, quartz) that have been sufficiently bleached by sunlight, before they are buried. Soil, sands and sedimentary rocks would contain trace elements of radioactive isotopes. Specialists would either use light, infrared or heat, depending on mineral types, to release any unstable trapped electrons in objects and measure the age, since the objects have been buried.
For quartz, either blue or green light can be used, this method is known as optical stimulated luminescence (OSL). OSL can measure any objects containing quartz, from 100 years to about 300,000 years.
While the infrared technique is called infrared stimulated luminescence (IRSL), can be used on any potassium feldspar minerals, which are commonly found in clay minerals. Since IRSL measure any clay minerals, therefore it is most useful in dating pottery and ceramic wares. The limit to IRSL is about 1 million year.
The other luminescence technique that doesn’t use light, but use heat to release unstable trapped electrons is thermoluminescence (TL). TL can measure any minerals, just as well as OSL & IRSL, but focused on objects that have been burned, like fired pottery.
Any of these techniques can be used not only the last 1 million years on rocks, but also archaeological objects, so it can date human activities, such as pottery, tombs or burials. All those luminescence techniques don’t suffer from false ages that occasionally contaminated with readings of radiocarbon dating.
Luminescence dating can confirm any radiometric dating methods in human history, which is what is needed for age verification.
Tiberius
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Good luck. He's been told all this before, and he just claims that whatever changed the way one method works changed all the others as well in just the right way to make it all look like an old earth. Appeal to coincidence is all he has.
The argument is, in essence, equivalent to Last Thursdayism. And, if you take Last Thursdayism seriously, there is no way out.
gnostic
The Lost One
Which in turn, make dad’s God, a trickster, a cheat and a god of lies and deception.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
dad
Undefeated
False. Many long lived isotopes that are claimed to have once existed are claimed to have disappeared. You can compare nothing at all that is not already here right now. The issue is how it got here. NOT how it now behaves and decays.
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