Iymus
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I do not believe the following questions was asked so will ask again.
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WE (I) BELIEVE IN THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY.
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I do not believe the following questions was asked so will ask again.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
My answer is the same. One entity. One person. One spirit.
Calling them people is fine. Their natures are not all people
Iymus
Active Member
I never said person; I asked; how many individuals?
Also; is only one spirit when it comes to the three that bear witness in heaven?
If so can you identify the only spirit out of the three please? "If indeed three because you have not informed me of how many or perhaps not clear. Are you saying three total but one is not alive?"
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Not sure my questions have been answered ; I would like to ask a third time; not to annoy but tor edification.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I'm very simple. Persons. Individuals. Nouns.
There are three individuals (if you like) creator, human, spirit. But I'm not sure what you're getting at with this word over the others.
What's the difference. Creator, Spirit, Human (three?)
No. Just three. Father. Son. Spirit. The tri-nity.
I'm not sure how that relates to one not being alive, though.
I'm trying to figure where you're getting at. There's three people (persons, individuals, personal, so have you) in the trinity (hence the name)....
What do you mean?
There are three individuals (if you like) creator, human, spirit. But I'm not sure what you're getting at with this word over the others.
What's the difference. Creator, Spirit, Human (three?)
No. Just three. Father. Son. Spirit. The tri-nity.
I'm not sure how that relates to one not being alive, though.
I'm trying to figure where you're getting at. There's three people (persons, individuals, personal, so have you) in the trinity (hence the name)....
What do you mean?
Iymus
Active Member
Essentially to get clarification on your comment on why Holy Spirit isn't an entity.
I view an entity as an existence which Holy Spirit seems to be.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Entity more like a being not, how to say, a person or something like that. I'm honestly not sure if some Christians view god as a separate being (like a ghost?) Or are they using complex words for a simple relationship with creator, Christ, and spirit.
Maybe more creator sent Christ. Christ died. His spirit (himself) joined believers and creator as one body.
But I'm honestly not sure why there is so much debate over this so much as accusing people of not being christian because of it.
Iymus
Active Member
I'm not qualified to say; especially when Gospel of Christ is accepted.
firedragon
Veteran Member
I asked a specific question expecting an objective answer mate. But that's fine. Cheers.
eik
Active Member
You're not interpreting this right. Jesus was not "begotten as a true Son in eternity past before anything was created." That is the pagan conception, of gods begetting gods, which was wrongly adopted by High Trinitarians in their endeavour to reconcile Jewish theology and Greek philosophy.
John 1:1 tells us that the Word was with God and the Word was God. So the Word was not "begotten" by definition.
You need to develop a better theory, I think.
God is best conceived of as a spiritual unity of three revealed spiritual personalities, but where one personality, the Father, predominates and lives and acts in the other two, and alone has the right to be denoted as "true God" (1 John 5:20).
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Brian2
Veteran Member
Is this the teaching of the original Seventh Day Adventist church before it changed it's teachings, or is it maybe the teachings of Herbert Armstrong or a branch of one of these?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It's not as it is a theological concept mean to try and possibly explain the relationship between God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
Dogknox20
Well-Known Member
Saint Frankenstein it is good to meet you... In the Old Testament the Prophets were the voice of God, the Priests were the Hands of God! In the new Testament the Bishops take the roll to a degree of the prophet and the Priests are the hands! Jesus gave the KEYS to Peter and only to Peter. Jesus made Peter the Shepherd of God' flock!
John 21:16 Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”
Matthew 16:17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Saint Frankenstein notice verse 17 (above) God from heaven kept Peter from error!
When the Pope speaks ex cathedra he is speaking for God! Jesus established One Church before he ascended.... It was the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church with the Key holder as head! All others were formed by men! Men such as Luther, Zwindel, Russell, Calvin, King Kenry etc.. All church that are NOT Catholic all who reject the authority of the Pope are protestant they are IN PROTEST against God!
Pipiripi
End Times Prophecy.
This teaching is from this person in the Bible. Revelation 12:17 and 14:12. A FEW in the SDA Church.
Pipiripi
End Times Prophecy.
God first church is from the New Testament. Not the Catholic Church of Rome.
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
Peter was not a Trinitarian. And neither was/is Jesus
eik
Active Member
Verse 8 & 17 associates the "first and the last" with The Lord God and with Jesus Christ.
The son denotes the man, always. Only be extension is what is in heaven denoted by "son."
In Heb "son" is introduced by "in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son." That is the man Jesus. So every reference to son is primarily a reference to the man Jesus. The son is then assumed to be eternal, but it doesn't infer that God begat a "son" in heaven.
Dogknox20
Well-Known Member
LightofTruth I hope all is well... I reply; 2 Peter 2:1 tells you "From Among Christians will come false teachers"! Christians are not among false teachers the False teachers are AMONG Christians!
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
The verse is very clear.. They are false teachers, Heretics! Arius was a Christian until he was removed as a False Teacher a Heretic! Arius the False Teacher taught Jesus is NOT God! Christians removed him, all who believe as Arius are NOT Christian!
LightofTruth You cannot be inside and outside at the same time... Arius was placed outside because he rejected the teaching of scriptures and of Christians the teaching is: "Jesus is God!"
2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
LightofTruth The following verse #2 tells you; Arius rejected "The Way of Truth"! Proving; "Jesus is God" is the Truth! To say differently you must reject the words of God you must reject what Christians believe!
Dogknox20
Well-Known Member
Pipiripi I must say.. "You are WRONG"!
Ignatius of Antioch 110 A.D.
“Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains [i.e., a presbyter]. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).
Pipiripi did you see it? Just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church!?
I point out "Eucharist" is the Body of Jesus in the form of bread! Also the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church Jesus established has BISHOPS! 110 A.D.
Ignatius was a student of the Apostle John! Clearly the One Church Jesus established was named "CATHOLIC"! 110 A.D.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
What's your evidence for that?
Frankly, most theologians I have read from various faiths believe that it is likely that views of Jesus vis-a-vis God were not likely uniform, at least in the first century Church. Indeed, the Ebionites seemed to have a different take on this relationship but even that's not clear in terms of what it might have been.
OTOH, there was the prevailing belief that Jesus was doing God's bidding and that he was truly of God in some way(s) at the least. The Trinitarian concept is an attempt by the 4th century Church to try and explain what they believed it likely was, but the use of "the Mystery of the Trinity" has long been used by the Church to show that our finite minds cannot well comprehend God's infinite "mind".