I think we've discussed this issue before!
I believe that Mary was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit and conceived miraculously. I do not believe that Joseph fathered Jesus. This is not what the scriptures teach.
God is father of the man, Jesus, and father of the Spirit that descended on Jesus at his baptism. One God, one Spirit.
If as you say, God is the father of the man Jesus, and father of the Spirit that descended on Jesus at his baptism. And that God, is one with the Spirit, that descended upon the man Jesus, as the heavenly voice was heard to say; "You are my Son this day I have begotten thee." Where do you get a virgin birth from that?
It was through the power or rather the workings of the Holy Spirit, that the child Jesus was born. Now we read of Isaac the child of God’s promise to Abraham, and see that Isaac was also born through the power, or the workings of the Holy Spirit as seen in Galatians 4: 29; where it is written, “Yet at that time the child born according to the flesh (Ishmael) persecuted him (Isaac) who was born according to the promise and the workings of the holy spirit.” It was through the workings of the Holy Spirit that the barren Sarah conceived the child of God’s promise, who was the biological son of her half-brother Abraham. And it was through the power=workings of the Holy Spirit that Mary conceived the child of God’s promise, who was the biological son of her half-brother, ‘Joseph the son of Alexander Helios.’
Just as Isaac, the promised seed of Abraham was born through the union of Abraham and his half-sister Sarah, according to the workings of the Holy Spirit, and Sarah was told by an angel/man that she was to become pregnant, so too, the man Jesus, the reality of God’s promise to Abraham, was born according to the workings of the Holy Spirit and born of the union of Mary and her half-brother Joseph, who were both sired by Heli=Alexander Helios III.
Do you believe that Isaac, who was the child of God's promise and was born according to the workings of the Holy Spirit, was born without the semen of Abraham being introduced into uterus,
If Jesus was born, the son of God, without male semen having been introduced into the uterus of Mary, why would the Lord God our savior fill the man Jesus with his spirit on the day of his baptism, as the heavenly voice was heard to say; "You are my son,
'THIS DAY' I have begotten thee' or as said in Hebrews 5:5; "You are my Son
'TODAY' I have become your Father?"
It was through a Greek speaking man that Gabriel, the angel of the Greeks and not Michael the angel of the Hebrews, spoke to the 13/14 year-old “parthenos” (Young unmarried woman) and told her that she would soon become pregnant and bear a son, who God would make a King, as his ancestor David was. So the Lord through his angel verifies, that her son would be genetically descended from King David, who was born of the seed of Adam and therefore under the penalty of the inherited sin.
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Luke 3:23; (KJV) And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (
as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli. The (
AS WAS SUPPOSED) in brackets, was a later interpolation by those who would have you believe the false teaching of the so-called virgin birth.
In the different translations of the KJV into Arabic, Afrikaan, Zulu, etc and even some of the more modern English translations, such as the Good News Catholic Study Edition Bible, the words (
As was supposed) have been retained, but the brackets are removed, thus by, making those words appear to be the declaration of Luke, while the serious biblical student know that they were not written by Luke, but were a later interpolation and a corruption of the Holy Scriptures, by those Christians, who refuse to accept that Jesus was not a God who became a man, but a man, born of human parents, who was later
CHOSEN by the Lord our saviour ‘The Son of Man,’ as his heir and successor.
If Jesus was not born of the flesh as all human beings are, but was born of a virgin without male semen having been introduced into her uterus, then this would have been the greatest of all miracles, and would have been shouted from the roof tops by all four gospel writers and yet we see that Mark and John ignore the physical birth of Jesus as being totally irrelevant to the story of salvation and begin their account of He who was sent in the name of the Lord, with the Baptism of the man Jesus, when he was born of the spirit that descended upon him in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say, “You are my son, Today I have begotten thee.”
And Matthew 1: 23' says; "Now all this happened to make come true what the Lord had said through his prophet (Isaiah) etc."
This verse; Luke 3:22; which now reads; “Thou art my beloved son in whom I am pleased,” was also changed by those who want you to believe that Jesus was not born of the flesh by two human parents and Later, on the day of his baptism, born of the spirit of our Lord God and saviour, ‘The Son of MAN’ and the MOST HIGH in the creation, when the spirit of our Lord descended upon him in the form of a dove
In Luke 3: 22; (In place of “Thou art my beloved son in who I am well pleased.”) The following authorities of the second, third, and fourth centuries read, “This day I have begotten thee,” vouched for by Codex D, and the most ancient copies of the old latin (a, b. c. ff.I), by Justin Martyr (AD 140), Clemens Alex, (AD. 190), Methodius (AD. 290), among the Greeks. And among the Latins, Lactaitius (AD 300), Hilary (AD) Juvencus (AD. 330), Faustus (AD. 400) and Augustine. All these oldest manuscripts were changed completely. They now read, “This is my son in whom I am well pleased.” Whereas the original variant was, “Thou art my Son. This day I have begotten thee.”
Isaiah 7: 14; Jewish Translation: “Therefore the Lord, of his own, shall give you a sign; behold the Almah (‘YOUNG UNMARRIED WOMAN') is with child, and she shall bear a son and she shall call his name Immanuel.”
Isaiah 7: 14; Erroneous KJV Translation; “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: behold the ‘Virgin’ shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Emmanuel.”
“The Greek word parthenos (παρθένος) is ambiguous but the Hebrew term “Almah”[Unmarried Female] is absolute, and is erroneously translated from Isaiah 7: 14, to Greek in Matthew 1:23; as “virgin,” whereas according to Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible, the Hebrew term “Almah,” carries the meaning, (Concealment---unmarried female.)”
In 1973, an ecumenical edition of RSV was approved by both Protestant and Catholic hierarchies, called the common bible. A New English Translation of the Bible, published in 1970 and approved by the council of churches in England, Scotland, Wales, the Irish council of churches, the London Society of Friends, and the Methodist and Presbyterian churches of England, all translate Isaiah 7: 14; “A young Woman is with child, and she will bear a son.”
Also The Good News Bible, Catholic Study Edition, with imprimatur by Archbishop John Whealon reads, Isaiah 7: 14; “A young woman who is pregnant will have a son, etc.”
As these religious bodies all now accept that Isaiah was not referring to a virgin in that famous passage, they must now accept that the authors of the Septuagint and The Gospel of Matthew, who were forced to use the Greek term “Parthenos” in reference to Isaiah’s prophecy, were in no way implying that the pregnant Mary, was still a virgin.
Matthew 1: 22-23; should now read; ‘Now all this happened to make come true what the Lord had said through the prophet [Isaiah],’ “An unmarried woman/Almah who is pregnant will bear a son and he will be called Immanuel: (“which means God is with us.”)
An ‘almah’ (
Unmarried female) can be a virgin, but there is no way this side of heaven that a pregnant ‘almah’ can still be a virgin.
Isaiah 7: 14; Jewish Translation: “Therefore the Lord, of his own, shall give you a sign; behold the Almah
‘IS WITH CHILD,’ and she shall bear a son and she shall call his name Immanuel.”
As those religious organisations now admit that Isaiah was not referring to a virgin, but a pregnant unmarried female, Matthew 1: 23; should now read; "‘Now all this happened to make come true what the Lord had said through the prophet [Isaiah],’ “An unmarried woman/Almah, who is pregnant will bear a son and he will be called Immanuel: (“which means God is with us.”)
The Lord God our savior who chose the man Jesus as his earthly host body, in who he would reveal himself to man, was with us.
But you are entitled to believe anything the the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, wants you to believe.