Substitute Teacher Arrested After Brutal Classroom Assault On Student

columbus · Nov 12, 2019

Mock Turtle said:
Teachers are supposed to be trained to deal with such behaviour.

So are students.

If I had hit a teacher I'd have been severely punished. Both by the school, and then by my parents. By the time I was her age, I already knew that. The idea would never have occurred to me.

The teacher is part of the problem here, and shouldn't be teaching most likely. But the real problem is the student and whoever taught her to do things like use violence against a teacher.
Tom

Mock Turtle · Nov 12, 2019

columbus said:
So are students.

If I had hit a teacher I'd have been severely punished. Both by the school, and then by my parents. By the time I was her age, I already knew that. The idea would never have occurred to me.

The teacher is part of the problem here, and shouldn't be teaching most likely. But the real problem is the student and whoever taught her to do things like use violence against a teacher.
Tom

Perhaps, but one doesn't solve a problem by such methods. As has been said, perhaps it was poor screening for her to get into such a position. A quick temper is the last requirement to teach kids I would have thought.

columbus · Nov 12, 2019

Mock Turtle said:
Perhaps, but one doesn't solve a problem by such methods. As has been said, perhaps it was poor screening for her to get into such a position. A quick temper is the last requirement to teach kids I would have thought.

Find a way to fund the school system well enough to attract better applicants.
I'll wait.

And find a way to improve parenting. That kid didn't just materialize, with her violent attitude, in that classroom that day. There's a bunch of backstory.
Tom

Mock Turtle · Nov 12, 2019

columbus said:
Find a way to fund the school system well enough to attract better applicants.
I'll wait.

And find a way to improve parenting. That kid didn't just materialize, with her violent attitude, in that classroom that day. There's a bunch of backstory.
Tom

No doubt, but she is supposed to provide the answers, not someone probably a lot less mature than her.

columbus · Nov 12, 2019

Mock Turtle said:
No doubt, but she is supposed to provide the answers, not someone probably a lot less mature than her.

No, the student's parents are supposed to provide the answers to this sort of question.
Questions actually.

Why did the student expect to abuse her phone in a classroom? Why did she think that hitting a teacher was the way to resolve her problem?

I agree that the teacher shouldn't have done what she did. And the student is too young to make such decisions herself. I think her parents are mainly to blame.
But I don't see anyone holding them accountable in any way.
Tom

Subduction Zone · Nov 12, 2019

columbus said:
No, the student's parents are supposed to provide the answers to this sort of question.
Questions actually.

Why did the student expect to abuse her phone in a classroom? Why did she think that hitting a teacher was the way to resolve her problem?

I agree that the teacher shouldn't have done what she did. And the student is too young to make such decisions herself. I think her parents are mainly to blame.
But I don't see anyone holding them accountable in any way.
Tom

Teachers should take more care with special needs students. And even though I did see on the news on video wehre I could see a weak slap by the student from her desk that in no way justified the reaction of the teacher. At that point she should have called school security. She is not judge, jury, and executioner. Her behavior was inappropriate before the student slapped her. Her action after that was inexcusable.

Mock Turtle · Nov 12, 2019

columbus said:
No, the student's parents are supposed to provide the answers to this sort of question.
Questions actually.

Why did the student expect to abuse her phone in a classroom? Why did she think that hitting a teacher was the way to resolve her problem?

I agree that the teacher shouldn't have done what she did. And the student is too young to make such decisions herself. I think her parents are mainly to blame.
But I don't see anyone holding them accountable in any way.
Tom

Perhaps because parents can't be alongside a child all the time? I think you seem to have an idealistic view of parenting. And the child was special needs apparently, so probably less in control than most?

Subduction Zone · Nov 12, 2019

Mock Turtle said:
Perhaps because parents can't be alongside a child all the time? I think you seem to have an idealistic view of parenting. And the child was special needs apparently, so probably less in control than most?

Did some more checking and she was epiletic. I don't think that yelling in the face of such a person is appropriate. A slap could be seen as self defense by the student.

columbus · Nov 12, 2019

Mock Turtle said:
Perhaps because parents can't be alongside a child all the time? I think you seem to have an idealistic view of parenting. And the child was special needs apparently, so probably less in control than most?

Parents have to teach their children things. It's an obligation.

Apparently, these parents failed miserably. And the teacher didn't do much better. But blaming the whole episode on a substitute teacher is ridiculous.
Tom

Subduction Zone · Nov 12, 2019

columbus said:
Parents have to teach their children things. It's an obligation.

Apparently, these parents failed miserably. And the teacher didn't do much better. But blaming the whole episode on a substitute teacher is ridiculous.
Tom

I am merely blaming the teacher for her obvious excesses. Inappropriate action towars the student to begin with and an unexcusable attack when that inappropriate behavior was resisted. What she did was a clear felony. Made worse by her supposedly being in a position of authority. With authority there also comes a higher standard of behavior.

columbus · Nov 12, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
I am merely blaming the teacher for her obvious excesses. Inappropriate action towars the student to begin with and an unexcusable attack when that inappropriate behavior was resisted. What she did was a clear felony. Made worse by her supposedly being in a position of authority. With authority there also comes a higher standard of behavior.

I don't see any mention of the violent student's parents here.
They have higher authority, and responsibility, than a substitute teacher.

Like I asked earlier, are you willing to do what it takes to hire better teachers?
Tom

Terry Sampson · Nov 12, 2019

Shad said:
then the teacher lost it which is seen in the OP

Notable features in the OP:

As far as I know, adults in the U.S. are not allowed to "lose it" over a minor's behavior, whether the adult is the minor's parent or just a "temporary", lawfully-responsible, unrelated guardian.
The OP was posted by someone but does not rag on a Christian somewhere. I'm sure further investigation will reveal that the substitute teacher has gone to a Christian church somewhere.
From the Facebook responses to Lehman High School's FB page:
- Because the High School is located in Texas, I'd like to point out the good news: neither student nor substitute teacher was carrying a gun, which could have changed the equation substantially.
I note, among the FB responses, at least one claimed that the student had called the substitute teacher the "N-word". Let's see if that serves to get the teacher out of jail free. Personally, I don't think it will, ... especially in Texas.

My wife was a public school teacher for 25 years and during her last 25 years, I served as an unpaid teacher's aide in her room. Now that she has retired and gets her pension check, I propose that maybe it's time to review Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 which protects the rights of individuals with disabilities in programs and activities that receive federal financial assistance, including federal funds.

All qualified persons with disabilities within the jurisdiction of a school district are entitled to a free appropriate public education. The ED Section 504 regulation defines a person with a disability as “any person who: (i) has a physical or mental impairment which substantially limits one or more major life activities, (ii) has a record of such an impairment, or (iii) is regarded as having such an impairment.”

In fact, I propose that no child in the U.S., disabled or not, be entitled to a free appropriate public education.

Revoltingest · Nov 12, 2019

Terry Sampson said:
In fact, I propose that no child in the U.S., disabled or not, be entitled to a free appropriate public education.

That might seem to be a good cost saving measure or retribution for bad behavior,
but I wager that in the long run, it would be costly. If the student became an
ex-student unqualified for work due to inadequate education or socialization,
I predict increased likelihood of crime or welfare kingism/queenism.

Ouroboros · Nov 12, 2019

columbus said:
No, the student's parents are supposed to provide the answers to this sort of question.
Questions actually.

Why did the student expect to abuse her phone in a classroom? Why did she think that hitting a teacher was the way to resolve her problem?

Considering that the student was a special needs, we don't know if there are some issues with how the student can handle interactions. Probably the teacher wasn't qualified enough to handle a special needs kid.

I agree that the teacher shouldn't have done what she did. And the student is too young to make such decisions herself. I think her parents are mainly to blame.
But I don't see anyone holding them accountable in any way.
Tom

If the student has a mental problem, it might be a problem to blame the parents, unless they somehow are responsible for the kids issues.

I'm speculating here though, because I haven't looked into what kind of special needs the kid is. I have a special needs son myself, and he has all mental facilities working. He's just not able to walk. So I can't say what kind of problem this kid is having, but it seems to me that the substitute teacher wasn't equipped properly to deal with the situation.

Salvador · Nov 12, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
Did some more checking and she was epiletic. I don't think that yelling in the face of such a person is appropriate. A slap could be seen as self defense by the student.

You're right. I've learned in anger management that an individual's personal space must be respected. I've also been taught that yelling is most often unnecessary in order for a person to express himself/herself.

Ouroboros · Nov 12, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
I am merely blaming the teacher for her obvious excesses. Inappropriate action towars the student to begin with and an unexcusable attack when that inappropriate behavior was resisted. What she did was a clear felony. Made worse by her supposedly being in a position of authority. With authority there also comes a higher standard of behavior.

And the teacher is a grown up, the kid is not. The teacher has gone through training, the kid has not. The teacher is supposedly at a stable mental state, while the kid was special needs. All of it is stacking up against the teacher. Probably not the right person for the job. Kind'a blame the school a bit for not vetting the teacher better.

Ouroboros · Nov 12, 2019

Salvador said:
You're right. I've learned in anger management that an individual's personal space must be respected. I've also been taught that yelling is most often unnecessary in order for a person to express himself/herself.

Yes, something my wife and I agreed on long time ago. Never, ever touch when upset. And don't try to calm someone down with touch either.

stvdv · Nov 12, 2019

Landon Caeli said:
I support the teacher, since the student hit the teacher first. Teachers don't get paid enough to deal with kids hitting them, and once you've been hit, there's a period of time where reason is lost -and that's for everyone.

...Nobody knows what they'll do the moment after being punched in the face. Everyone reacts differently.

That's what I also saw on the video. Students nowadays misbehave quite bad.
Sometimes karma is a bitsj. I hope the students do learn their lesson too.

Terry Sampson · Nov 12, 2019

Revoltingest said:
I predict increased likelihood of crime or welfare kingism/queenism.

I live in the East Los Angeles California Triangle. I'm not all that certain that I would notice.
Never having had children, the wife and I are "child-free" as opposed to "childless". The child-free tend to be bolder when speculating about other folks' futures.

columbus · Nov 12, 2019

Here's a capitalist solution to the problem.
Pay substitute teachers so much that school corporations can select only the best trained, most motivated, applicants.
Instead of settling for the cheapest people who apply.

How about that? Pay better, get more. Isn't that how things work in our capitalistic society?
Why does it change when the need is for teachers?
Pay teachers more and you'll get better teachers!
Tom

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