LightofTruth
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Jesus said that their father, the devil, was a murderer from the beginning. Who did the devil murder?
Was it Adam? If so, how?
Was it Abel? If so, how?
Was it Adam? If so, how?
Was it Abel? If so, how?
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Jesus said that their father, the devil, was a murderer from the beginning. Who did the devil murder?
Was it Adam? If so, how?
Was it Abel? If so, how?
Translate the verse more fully, and it says their father, the slanderer, was a murderer from the beginning. Then it becomes clear he is protesting what they have said about him, and his words foreshadow his crucifixion.Jesus said that their father, the devil, was a murderer from the beginning. Who did the devil murder?
Was it Adam? If so, how?
Was it Abel? If so, how?
I think you meant ...CainWas it Abel? If so, how?
Generally, he seeks "whom he may devour".Jesus said that their father, the devil, was a murderer from the beginning. Who did the devil murder?
Was it Adam? If so, how?
Was it Abel? If so, how?
Evil and/or ignorant human mind.Jesus said that their father, the devil, was a murderer from the beginning. Who did the devil murder?
Was it Adam? If so, how?
Was it Abel? If so, how?
Jesus said that their father, the devil, was a murderer from the beginning. Who did the devil murder?
Was it Adam? If so, how?
Was it Abel? If so, how?
At the beginning, no one. But he was still a murderer. That was his nature. Because he was that, that would eventually be what he would do.
Many like to claim David was a murderer because he murdered Uriah. But he wasn't. He committed the sin of murder, but he was not a murderer. He was by nature, a man after God's own heart.
Good-Ole-Rebel
The reason David was not allowed to build the temple was because he had blood on his hands.
You mean that wasn't an allegory, like everything else in your bible?
I didn't say David was not guilty. I said he was not a murderer. Just like God would not let him 'build' the temple, so did God also say David was a man after my own heart. Or is that just an allegory also.
Good-Ole-Rebel
You mean that wasn't an allegory, like everything else in your bible?
I didn't say David was not guilty. I said he was not a murderer. Just like God would not let him 'build' the temple, so did God also say David was a man after my own heart. Or is that just an allegory also.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Who knows if there ever was a David or a United KIngdom. I just told you what the Bible said.
KJV
1 Chronicles 17:4 "Go and tell My servant David that this is what the LORD says: You are not the one to build a house for Me to dwell in. 1 Chronicles 22:8
I'm pretty sure the bible references that Lucifer wasn't evil at first, but satan was.
Generally, he seeks "whom he may devour".
In Eden, he lied and convinced Eve to eat of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil -which would lead to death.
The psychology is basically that he attempted a coup to overthrow God -it was put down -now he is wrathful against man -who will eventually judge the affairs of angels.... so he goes where he can do the most damage.
Best to focus on your own salvation, though....
"Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee."
Eve knew the fruit was forbidden, she even said so. When Eve accepted the lie of the serpent over what she knew God had said, then Eve made the lie her own and seeing that the fruit was good for food, pleasant to the eye, and desired to make one wise, she took it and gave to Adam.Translate the verse more fully, and it says their father, the slanderer, was a murderer from the beginning. Then it becomes clear he is protesting what they have said about him, and his words foreshadow his crucifixion.
If I follow 1 Timothy and combine it with Romans 7...on one point I disagree with your quoted post above about it being a complete lie, because her eyes are opened just as the serpent has informed her. The lie is that she will still live forever. She then knows good from evil as the gods, but this causes her nature to assert itself against the law, sealing her fate. Perhaps at this point she doesn't know the cost, but Adam does know that cost will be death. Even so he chooses knowledge, and he makes the right choice. The choice to eat the fruit is disobedience to 'The gods', but 'the gods' in Genesis do not always have the best intentions towards people. I suggest reconsidering the nature of the command not to eat the fruit. Its command we are meant to break. Just as prophets can lie, gods can scheme. Gods create the Nephelim by lusting after human women in Genesis. They are not ideal beings. It says they do, coming right on down from their heaven and screwing human women. They also fear the ascent of humans. Adam makes the right choice for a couple of reasons. First, he chooses to reject the religion of Egypt. In Egypt morality is in the hands of gods, not in the hands of men. Secondly he makes the right choice, because wisdom is better than ignorance.Eve knew the fruit was forbidden, she even said so. When Eve accepted the lie of the serpent over what she knew God had said, then Eve made the lie her own and seeing that the fruit was good for food, pleasant to the eye, and desired to make one wise, she took it and gave to Adam.
So, what was it that could make Eve accept a lie rather than obey God? It was the sin in her flesh! And the wages of sin is death. So sin in the flesh and the devil are the same thing. Because, first comes lust then comes sin and sin brings death.
Are you trying to say it was OK for Eve to eat it? If so, that is not what scripture says at all.James says that everyone is tempted when they are drawn away and enticed by their own lust, and that lust gives birth to transgression, and transgression leads to death.
Therefore, the serpent merely prompted the lust in Eve. Something that was already in her. So, the lust of the flesh and the devil are they same thing.
The text says that Eve saw that the fruit was good for food, pleasant to the eye and desired to make one wise, so she took of the fruit and gave to Adam. When Adam ate he was in transgression of the law of God. And Adam's transgression has brought death to pass to all men.