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How would life on another planet change your theology

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
So NASA just said something today about the world not being ready for life on mars. I'm ready, it wouldn't even surprise me actually. However, would it rock the theological world's boat? What would the world's religious leaders say? Might it even put various institutions out of business so to speak? Create an impetus to add new explanatory scripture or rules to your religion? How would you react if your leaders said nothing?
It would not change a thing
 

sealchan

Well-Known Member
I roll my eyes whenever I hear mention of abiogenesis.

You understand, don't you, that abiogenesis is basically spontaneous generation with a fancy Latin term, right?

Amazing how readily people believe something that science textbooks swore up and down was false, now that it has a snazzy new term. Alright then. We're gonna make a petri dish filled with all the organic chemicals you want and because we zap it with electricity (or whatever) we can kid ourselves into saying "it's alive, it's alive!" like Frankenstein.

1. I'm not sure any abiogenesis has actually ever created actual life. Like ever. I could look it up, but I think it's crap science.
2. Even if it did, it's still incredibly retarded. You know why? Because it relies on a slight-of-hand where the scientist says "And this PROVES that live resulted from random events, and not because of intelligent design." Oh really? So...
a. Who gathered all these materials for this so called primordial soup? (Scientists)
b. Who mixed them (Scientists)
c. Who made sure temperature and other factors were perfect? (Again, scientists)

Rather than prove generation is spontaneous, what they have actually proven then is that it is possible to create life by design (though in this case with scientists rather than an immortal creator).

So much like Wukong trying to leave Buddha's hand. You're so proud of doing nothing.


Abiogenesis simply means the origin of life from non-life and does not in any way presuppose it is spontaneous.

Your critique of previous research seems odd in that it criticizes an effort to reduce design as fundamentally flawed. This is analogous to criticizing an obviously more talented artist for not producing a masterpiece that you yourself couldnt produce in any case.

What were the scientist's modeling the environment they endeavored to create in their lab after?

In this context I must think of you rolling your eyes as a variant of Sarah's laugh.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Mormonism would probably say, "Well, duh. We've always believed that God created more worlds that just ours."

Joseph Smith's beliefs in extraterrestrial life might have been influenced by Emanuel Swedenborg who wrote about his encounters with otherworldly spiritual beings.

 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Joseph Smith's beliefs in extraterrestrial life might have been influenced by Emanuel Swedenborg who wrote about his encounters with otherworldly spiritual beings.

Some people believe that to be the case. I think it's more likely that he got his ideas from the Bible.
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
Secondly, if an intelligent alien species had beliefs and practices identical to one of Earth's religions. If the aliens are taking communion and saying Hail Marys, I would have to take a hard look at Catholicism and try to determine whether or not the aliens are simply copying our own religious practices.

Hadn't thought of that, that's a good possible thread question. What if the aliens had our religions even if there was never any previous contact
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
Personally I dont think they will find any evidence of bacterial like life on Mars even if it was there 3 to 2 billion years ago like it was on Earth. Expecially not in the next 50 to 100 years because It probably will take that long to get a man there and back safely. And a manned crew would need months of work there just to get started there. Beyond that examples of life 3 billion years ago on Earth is difficult to find much less unprotected Mars. I think NASA is hyping for Government funding.

Assuming that they do find life... it probably would not budge the Religious who already ignore Science and History.

Well it doesn't need to be manned obviously. I don't know a lot about it, but in the sea, stromatolite was something that early life forms built up in layers. So if the bacteria did live there, maybe they accreted in stromatolite which would probably be easy to find if the place was covered in bacteria for a while
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
Well it doesn't need to be manned obviously. I don't know a lot about it, but in the sea, stromatolite was something that early life forms built up in layers. So if the bacteria did live there, maybe they accreted in stromatolite which would probably be easy to find if the place was covered in bacteria for a while
It has been very difficult, even here on earth where you don't have to lug a life-support system around, to find the handful of places on earth that MIGHT hold fossils three to four billion years old...it could take many lifetimes trying to find similar locations on Mars (consider here on earth that it's really been about 200 years in our more or less friendly environment)...once we get there with enough people and equipment to look meter by meter and dig into the surface...
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
It has been very difficult, even here on earth where you don't have to lug a life-support system around, to find the handful of places on earth that MIGHT hold fossils three to four billion years old...it could take many lifetimes trying to find similar locations on Mars (consider here on earth that it's really been about 200 years in our more or less friendly environment)...once we get there with enough people and equipment to look meter by meter and dig into the surface...

Would it have to be that old though? Whatever it is, it could be any age right, If some tiny organism was producing a mass accretion
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I honestly expect that aliens from another planet would have their own sense of a Divine, and their own indigenous religion that is for them. It would probably be similar to Judaism in that it would emphasize right behavior if nothing else, although it could include others things. Who knows. Babylon 5 comes to mind. Even the Membari, the most enlightened species, had religion that was a major deal for them. And humans of the future still had religion as well, for example, Susan Ivanova was Jewish and consulted a Rabbi in one episode.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
It has been very difficult, even here on earth where you don't have to lug a life-support system around, to find the handful of places on earth that MIGHT hold fossils three to four billion years old...it could take many lifetimes trying to find similar locations on Mars (consider here on earth that it's really been about 200 years in our more or less friendly environment)...once we get there with enough people and equipment to look meter by meter and dig into the surface...

Mars in not a very geologically active place.
The surface does not get reworked the way it
does on earth.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
Mars in not a very geologically active place.
The surface does not get reworked the way it
does on earth.
True, but the working conditions are very difficult in person, in fact impossible with current technology. Even when humans get to Mars, perhaps in a couple of decades, it will still be exceptionally difficult to do the fieldwork.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
True, but the working conditions are very difficult in person, in fact impossible with current technology. Even when humans get to Mars, perhaps in a couple of decades, it will still be exceptionally difficult to do the fieldwork.

Oh, no harder than working at the south pole while
wearing a space suit. :D
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I honestly expect that aliens from another planet would have their own sense of a Divine, and their own indigenous religion that is for them. It would probably be similar to Judaism in that it would emphasize right behavior if nothing else, although it could include others things. Who knows. Babylon 5 comes to mind. Even the Membari, the most enlightened species, had religion that was a major deal for them. And humans of the future still had religion as well, for example, Susan Ivanova was Jewish and consulted a Rabbi in one episode.

Is there some reason to think that outer space monsters
would have a religion?
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Is there some reason to think that outer space monsters
would have a religion?
I have no reason to think that other sentient beings would lack similar sense of the divine.

Why would other sentient beings be "monsters?"
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I have no reason to think that other sentient beings would lack similar sense of the divine.

Why would other sentient beings be "monsters?"

I just like to call them that.

Whatcha got no reason to think besides a tinge
o' that anthrocentricpomorphizing is that those
hopeful monsters would have any of the same
wiring as we.

May as well figure they'd all think baby koala bears
are cute.

Who knows what short circuit leads to god-imagining
or addiction to RF.

How do you figure critters of far more distantly
related minds than an octopus would think like you?

(I'd say "us" as in "everybody" except even among people
there are those who dont do this god-belief thing)
 
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