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Religious Bigotry

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
What about some of the Mormon groups that favor polygamy? Shouldn't that be their right? What about those that may be Pro-Choice when it comes to abortion with the issue of women have the freedom to choose? What about the Christians that insist the the Ten Commandments should be posted at a secular location and yet then backed Trump when he tried to stop all Muslim immigration here until the courts blocked him? What about "In God We Trust" on currency instead of "In Gods we Trust" or "In No Gods Do We Trust"? What about Trump blocking transgenders from going into our military?

When some Christians complain about discrimination against them, I just have to wonder if they actually think about it or just parrot what someone has told them?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
When some Christians complain about discrimination against them, I just have to wonder if they actually think about it or just parrot what someone has told them?
In my experience, vary rarely is it actually bigotry and discrimination that they face (though they certainly teach it happens and they expect it to happen), but almost always a case of the dominate group getting their undies in a wad because they're told they have to share.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Christianity was supposed only interact with the world in a way so the world would leave Christianity alone to mind its own business.

And look at Christianity today, poking its nose into everybody else's business.

any attempts to marginalize, ridicule, or belittle other people's religious beliefs would be nipped in the bud.. taken out & exposed as the religious bigotry it is.
  • “The problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it. The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense.” - Brian Cox
Ridicule is appropriate for ridiculous ideas.

And furthermore, unbelievers have no duty to respect Christianity. In fact, atheists owe Christianity about two millennia of verbal abuse for the hate speech in the scriptures and the difficulties it has created for atheists. Christianity has never been the atheist's friend, and has no reasonable expectation of being regarded with respect or affection, nor to be forgiven for its sins against atheists
  • "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God."- American President George H. W. Bush
How should atheists feel about the religion that trained that man to think like that? How should they feel about a man like that?

Also, one cannot be a bigot against an idea or set of ideas, only people. Bigotry is the irrational, unfair, and destructive view and/or treatment of every member of a law abiding demographic. The dislike of an idea, whether rational or otherwise, is not bigotry, whereas the atheistic hate speech in scripture is bigotry as defined here - the irrational, hateful, and destructive, treatment of every member of a law-abiding demographic.

Progressive ideology, with the emphasis on atheistic naturalism, IS established and mandated by the state, as the ONLY APPROVED BELIEF, regarding origins and the nature of the universe.

The state is not there for the church to use to promote the church's religious agenda. It'll have to do that itself on its own dime, and only to those volunteering to listen.

Christianity is waning in popularity not because of malicious, unprovoked critics or government imposing an anti-Christian agenda, but because it keeps generating shocking headlines in the news, and is seen as irrelevant to increasing numbers of people.

More bad religion in the news:

Mexico City priest arrested for murder of student, church deacon

But even if we grant you your premise, Christianity will just have to deal with its situation as best it can. If you're appealing to its critics to change their tactics or opinions, you probably should give them a reason why that's in their best interest. I fully and enthusiastically support the decline of organized, politicized religion.

These are the indicators of our cultural transition from a Christian dominant society to a progressive one.

You seem to think that Christian and progressive are antonyms. There are Christian progressives, too.

I am fully suuportive of the transition from a religious society to a non-religious one. It's inevitable. Man's gods and religions phase connect the periods between when he first asked questions about how nature works, and when he eventually discovered his naturalistic answers several millennia later. You're just seeing this natural progression.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Are atheists exempt from religious bigotry, because they define their beliefs as 'non-religious!?'

No. But we are on the whole considerably more resistant to its lure, because we do not allow ourselves to third-party our responsibilities to God.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
But look at the stained glass, it suggests he is praying to the All Seeing Eye since he is kneeling beneath it. The All Seeing Eye is not a symbol of the Christian God in any way
So, you still want to ignore the passage from Psalms in the stained glass...

16:1 Preserve me, O God: for in thee do I put my trust.​
 

ecco

Veteran Member
When some Christians complain about discrimination against them, I just have to wonder if they actually think about it or just parrot what someone has told them?

Religious indoctrination goes a long way toward making it unnecessary to think.
 

Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
Are atheists exempt from religious bigotry, because they define their beliefs as 'non-religious!?'


“It was Dostoevsky, once again, who drew from the French Revolution and its seeming hatred of the Church the lesson that "revolution must necessarily begin with atheism." That is absolutely true. But the world had never before known a godlessness as organized, militarized, and tenaciously malevolent as that practiced by Marxism.


Within the philosophical system of Marx and Lenin, and at the heart of their psychology, hatred of God is the principal driving force, more fundamental than all their political and economic pretensions. Militant atheism is not merely incidental or marginal to Communist policy; it is not a side effect, but the central pivot.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


Such bigotry explains why Totalitarianism is perforce atheistic. Historically, totalitarians brainwashed its populace with Atheism, teaching them that there was no such thing as God even though they had no evidence to support their positive claim. They also brainwashed children to believe atheists were more rational that theists because the latter suffered from insanity which is why they believed in God in the first place. The combinations of all this dehumanizing brainwashing fueled their psychotic bigotry and hatred for all theists just for being theists. As such, Atheism is a savage enemy of freedom and a threat to all free-thinkers.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Is it okay for people to practice their religion if it harms animals or other life mentally or physically?
At this time in history, during this dispensation of Grace I don't think any animals should be killed for any religious purposes. At least according to the biblical scriptures, Jesus was the final sacrifice for the sins of the world. There is no need to sacrifice animals as when the Law was on display through Israel, which was only a shadow and representation in the OT of the ultimate sacrifice of Christ which was finished and completed on the cross.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
At this time in history, during this dispensation of Grace I don't think any animals should be killed for any religious purposes. At least according to the biblical scriptures, Jesus was the final sacrifice for the sins of the world. There is no need to sacrifice animals as when the Law was on display through Israel, which was only a shadow and representation in the OT of the ultimate sacrifice of Christ which was finished and completed on the cross.
How was that really a sacrifice? He knew what would happen after, knew hed be back, and given his nature overall he had one lousy weekend. Its not the same as a regular human being who is being beaten and tortured to death, and utterly frieghtened with no promise or certainties of what comes next. For us its faith. For Jesus it would have been concrete solid knowledge, no faith required or needed.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Such bigotry explains why Totalitarianism is perforce atheistic. Historically, totalitarians brainwashed its populace with Atheism, teaching them that there was no such thing as God even though they had no evidence to support their positive claim.
The fact that all gods are the creation of man's imaginings is pretty good evidence.

Or are you going to admit to believing that Shiva and Atlas and Oko are Real Gods?

They also brainwashed children to believe atheists were more rational that theists because the latter suffered from insanity which is why they believed in God in the first place.
No "brainwashing" that atheists have ever done compares to the brainwashing that Jehovah's Witnesses inflict upon their members (and try to inflict on whoever opens the door to their homes). I don't know of any atheists knocking on peoples doors, do you.

Even in "atheistic" countries, children spend more time in and around the home where the parents can continue to indoctrinate them into religious beliefs.


The combinations of all this dehumanizing brainwashing fueled their psychotic bigotry and hatred for all theists just for being theists. As such, Atheism is a savage enemy of freedom and a threat to all free-thinkers.

Atheism a "Savage Enemy"?

  • The savage enemy of the freedom of Native Americans were the Christian European invaders.
  • The savage enemy of the freedom of Africans were the Christians who chained them and brought them to the Americas.
  • The savage enemy of the freedom of European Jews were the German Christians who tried to exterminate them.
  • The savage enemy of the freedom of tens of thousands of Europeans were the Christians who pronounced them witches and burned them at the stake.
  • The savage enemy of the freedom of Muslims were the Christian Soldiers of the Christian Crusades.
  • The savage enemy of the freedom of European Catholics were the Protestant Christians who sought to subjugate or exterminate them.
  • The savage enemy of the freedom of European Protestants were the Catholic Christians who sought to subjugate or exterminate them.
I could go on.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
How was that really a sacrifice? He knew what would happen after, knew hed be back, and given his nature overall he had one lousy weekend. Its not the same as a regular human being who is being beaten and tortured to death, and utterly frieghtened with no promise or certainties of what comes next. For us its faith. For Jesus it would have been concrete solid knowledge, no faith required or needed.
I consider it to be a sacrifice of which I really cannot even begin to comprehend the depth of suffering involved, not only for the Son, but the Father. Not on;y do the scriptures reveal that Jesus was fully human so that Jesus suffered enormous physical and emotional pain at His crucifixion, but as fully the eternal God He suffers spiritually in the realm of eternity. When I think that God is One, of the eternal love the Father and Son always had for one another, and that they never had been separated in any way before, yet Jesus went to the cross bearing every sin of every person past, present, and future on earth as the Father turned away and separated Himself from His beloved Son ....so painful for Son and Father. I think in those moments of our time was an eternity of suffering because God is eternal.

Jesus' Death: Six Hours of Eternity on the Cross
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Not on;y do the scriptures reveal that Jesus was fully human so that Jesus suffered enormous physical and emotional pain at His crucifixion, but as fully the eternal God He suffers spiritually in the realm of eternity.
Thats just it: He has eternity. We have people here who get mangled at work, and it lasts them the rest of there relatively very short life. In the duration of forever, he had an especially bad weekend of an inconvenience. Non-existence would have been a sacrifice, but he knew hed live on instead. So, what? He gave up a life that lasted not even a blink of an eye to him here on this corrupt world and return to a better life? How is that a sacrifice? Its not much different than if one of us mere mortals who arent in direct communication with god having to get a series of rabies shots.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Thats just it: He has eternity. We have people here who get mangled at work, and it lasts them the rest of there relatively very short life. In the duration of forever, he had an especially bad weekend of an inconvenience. Non-existence would have been a sacrifice, but he knew hed live on instead. So, what? He gave up a life that lasted not even a blink of an eye to him here on this corrupt world and return to a better life? How is that a sacrifice? Its not much different than if one of us mere mortals who arent in direct communication with god having to get a series of rabies shots.
Yet, what I am saying is that the weight of eternal suffering is so much heavier.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
It has always been with us for as long as man has pondered the unknown, & likely always will be. Religious Freedom and tolerance is a rare thing, in the history of mankind.

The roots of religious freedom go further back than the reformation, but i'll pick it up from there. The central tenets of the reformation were these:
  1. Sola Scriptura. This is the elevation of the written word, or the Law, over the decrees & whims of man. The scriptures have the final authority, in matters of faith, not the edicts of the ruling elite.
  2. 'We must obey God, rather than man.' AKA, 'freedom of conscience'.
  3. Human equality, & the Priesthood of believers. This is in sharp contrast to the doctrine of divine authority of the ruling elite. The Divine right of Kings, Popes, & priests. They believed (or at least taught), that they have a special dispensation of wisdom & knowledge in their decisions, & the common man should submit to the state's authority as to God.
There were a few more things, but these were the central, foundational principles, that went on into the Enlightenment, & eventually culminated in the American Experiment. Point #2 became the basis for 'freedom of Religion', in the American Constitution.

In the American experiment of collective governance, the principles of Freedom were central to everything else. There were no elite Kings.. no Priests... no Popes. There were no mandated rules for conformity, that everyone was forced to comply with. Govt was forbidden to 'establish' any religious views, & Freedom was the Rule.. freedom to believe however you wish, & live by your conscience.

But Controllers are always there.. trying to impose THEIR belief systems on everyone else. It has been a constant struggle, to keep the air of liberty fresh, unfouled by the stench of mandated beliefs & philosophical dogmatism. It is my observation that we are going backwards in this area, & are returning to a Dark Ages style of mandated conformity. The official State Religion has become dominant, & they are censoring any alternatives to their belief system.

It has been my observation, that the religio/philosophical ideology of Progressivism (with an emphasis on atheistic naturalism) has taken over as the Official State Belief. That belief system has become the dominant & exclusive belief in the State's education systems, the media, entertainment, National Parks, children's shows, the courts, & every institution of man. They have banned any competition from alternate religious views, & have mandated conformity of belief in their naturalistic opinions. These are not empirical 'scientific facts!', but are merely religious opinions, about the nature of man & the universe.

The consequence of this trend is increasing religious bigotry, toward any minority opinions. They have used the power of the State to mandate conformity of belief, and the resultant indoctrinees of this 'religion' show increasing hostility & prejudice toward more traditional views, or other religious opinions. Christianity is especially targeted by this intolerance.

Religious Freedom is perhaps the single most important freedom listed in the bill of rights. It is in the 1st amendment, & is central to all the others. If this freedom is not jealously guarded, defended, & elevated as a pinnacle of all other freedoms, then none of the others matter. What use is 'freedom of speech', if your religious beliefs are censored or banned by the State, or the majority opinion of the enabling elite? What good is 'freedom of assembly', if you cannot express alternate opinions about the supernatural in a public setting?

In a healthy American public narrative, any attempts to marginalize, ridicule, or belittle other people's religious beliefs would be nipped in the bud.. taken out & exposed as the religious bigotry it is.

So, is religious bigotry something only Christians can do? ..kind of like only white people can be racist? Are atheists exempt from religious bigotry, because they define their beliefs as 'non-religious!?'

They would obviously be exempt from religious bigotry, since they are not religious. It would not follow that they are exempt from bigotry on the whole. Religion is not the only cause of bigotry.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
They would obviously be exempt from religious bigotry, since they are not religious. It would not follow that they are exempt from bigotry on the whole. Religion is not the only cause of bigotry.
Then what do you call it when a religious person is being a bigot towards a non-religious person?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
And furthermore, unbelievers have no duty to respect Christianity. In fact, atheists owe Christianity about two millennia of verbal abuse for the hate speech in the scriptures and the difficulties it has created for atheists. Christianity has never been the atheist's friend, and has no reasonable expectation of being regarded with respect or affection, nor to be forgiven for its sins against atheists.
Gotcha... :rolleyes:
If you want to see where my sentiments lie, please see the new thread I just started, Atheist becomes a Christian after 40 years
 
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