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House votes to hold US attorney general in contempt over Mueller subpoena

anna.

but mostly it's the same
Executive privilege is a bitz.


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Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member

Obviously you don't understand law. Barr cannot produce the unredacted report because unredacted it has grand jury testimony on it. This is illegal for Barr to do.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Just wait till 2020 when Trump wins again.

"Do you have your sh****n pants on?"
-Negan

Ha ha ha ha ha
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Just wait till 2020 when Trump wins again.

"Do you have your sh****n pants on?"
-Negan

Ha ha ha ha ha

Most of these can't survive a day without their Momma coming down to the basement to clean up after them.

They ain't ready for Negan!
 

Terry Sampson

Well-Known Member
Good thing hell doesn't exist then eh?

How's that a "good thing"?? If there ain't a hell, you, me, all the Red Hats, left-wing socialists and your "right-wing collectivists", and every other Tom, Dick, and Harry--past, present, and future--will be taking our horsemanure to Heaven and slinging it at each other for the rest of eternity.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Frankly, we have far bigger fish to fry. I'd rather Congress actually focus on things vital for the continued health and prosperity of the nation

America has no bigger problem than guaranteeing that their president isn't a traitor. He's definitely a huge security risk for all Americans. Trump with his unsecured phone line and secret conversations with Putin, as well as the Republican indifference to American election fraud from foreign entities and giving security clearances to the likes of Kushner are the main danger to US security. The invaders aren't at the southern border. They're in America's computers.

America is also at risk for having its systems hacked, which can result in banking chaos, shutting down power grids, choosing America's "elected" officials for it, air traffic disasters, American nukes tampered with, hijinx in low earth orbit (satellites), and more. It's only a matter of time if effective defenses aren't instituted, and Trump isn't interested in diminishing risk because Putin isn't.

People living in America need these matters to be attended to and resolved immediately

it's not the thing we elected our Congresspeople to do

Disagree. The blue wave last November was a mandate to stop Trump. The new Democratic House is merely representingthe will of its constituents, my will as well.

the Dems will be guilty of wasting 8+ years worth of time and 40 million dollars so far

Time and money very well spent if it obstructs Trump and the Republicans. That was the bar the Republicans set:
  • John Boehner offering his plans for Obama’s agenda as the incoming House Speaker: “We're going to do everything - and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”
  • “Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” -from HERE
Why should Trump or any Republican be treated any better? Can any conservative American reading these words answer that? Why should any liberal care what conservatives want or think.

They don't compromise, so they deserve no consideration in return. The Democrats' goal should be to make Trump less than a one-term president and shame him before his family and country in the process. Conservatives and conservative voters have no reason to expect more from the left, who they have attacked and demeaned at every turn. They are not our fellow anything any more. They declared a cold war, and war it will be..

40 million you say? A little over a dime per American? That's a great price. Allow me to pony up $400 cover a thousand of them. Where do I send the check?

No, this is far from over. It appears that the attorney general plans to corruptly steal and bury the report that the American tax payer underwrote. Not a problem. Congress doesn't need the Mueller report. If necessary, the House Democrats can repeat the entire investigation (and more), then generate an equivalent report themselves.

One committee can specialize in obstruction of justice, another in conspiring with the Russians, another in tax fraud and money laundering, another on banking fraud, another on violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, another on violations of campaign financing laws, and get this done in six months.

It would likely be more damning than the Mueller report appears to be, which apparently didn't look into much of that list of possible crimes. If so, they'll wish that they had turned over Mueller's report rather than provoke a second, more thorough investigation, this time run by people that Trump has been trashing for years who may hold grudges - people like Pelosi, Schiff, and Waters.

The Republicans are bringing Judgment Day on themselves. My hope is that the Democrats have the integrity and power to make it swift and decisive. My conscience demands it.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I unfortunately tend to believe that our constitutional democracy is in danger of collapse. For this administration to refuse all subpoenas for the House, thus defying Article One of the Constitution's Congressional oversight provision, undermines our rule of law, and this has never happened before in our history. And then what happens if a federal court and/or the SCOTUS declares some thing(s) the administration is doing as being unconstitutional, but then the administration refuse to abide by it?

If the latter happens as well, we are no longer a constitutional republic-- we will then be a dictatorship. And please don't think for one minute that this can't happen as world history has shown us otherwise.

IOW, we are already in what many political scientists have feared-- a "constitutional crisis"-- and it could get even far worse.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
How's that a "good thing"?? If there ain't a hell, you, me, all the Red Hats, left-wing socialists and your "right-wing collectivists", and every other Tom, Dick, and Harry--past, present, and future--will be taking our horsemanure to Heaven and slinging it at each other for the rest of eternity.

You should stay out of Christian theological discussions. Your knowledge is severely lacking.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
IOW, we are already in what many political scientists have feared-- a "constitutional crisis"-- and it could get even far worse.

You are correct about that. The former Democratic President abused his power to help his fellow Democratic Presidtial campaign nominee (Hillary) by spying on her competition (Trump) illegally. Then because they lost the election, and not able to cover it up, tried to use the sitting President as a patsy to cover their own conspiracy and the breaking of many civil rights. Further made worse by Congress for instructing A.G. Barr to commit a felony by releasing unredacted grand jury testimony, then threatening him with contempt for refusing to break the law, which is obstruction of justice.

There is a crisis alright. The evidence in the Mueller report list every bit of it as well.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
You are correct about that. The former Democratic President abused his power to help his fellow Democratic Presidtial campaign nominee (Hillary) by spying on her competition (Trump) illegally. Then because they lost the election, and not able to cover it up, tried to use the sitting President as a patsy to cover their own conspiracy and the breaking of many civil rights. Further made worse by Congress for instructing A.G. Barr to commit a felony by releasing unredacted grand jury testimony, then threatening him with contempt for refusing to break the law, which is obstruction of justice.

There is a crisis alright. The evidence in the Mueller report list every bit of it as well.
And you really believe the above? Maybe start doing some actual homework on your own instead of parroting such nonsense. Unfortunately, you're not likely to because that would take some studying using various sources from differing perspectives, and you've made it repeatedly clear that you're not willing to do that as ignorance is bliss for you.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
And you really believe the above? Maybe start doing some actual homework on your own instead of parroting such nonsense. Unfortunately, you're not likely to because that would take some studying using various sources from differing perspectives, and you've made it repeatedly clear that you're not willing to do that as ignorance is bliss for you.

It's in the Mueller report babe!
 
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