What Happens to Your God After the Extinction of Humans?

dybmh · Apr 27, 2019

SalixIncendium said:
For those of you who replied as such, for what reason do you think God is concerned only with humans and no other life or matter (or anti-matter for that matter) in the universe?

I don't think God is only concerned with humans. But, i think that humans, so far, have the most complex set of emotions. That makes humans interesting.

I also think that humans make the most mistakes. In that way, God is rooting for the underdog.

chinu · Apr 27, 2019

SalixIncendium said:
It is likely that, given 5 billion other species or about 99% on earth have gone extinct, humans will eventually go extinct.

If or when this happens, what becomes of your God?

ETA: It would appear the wording in my post has led to confusion. To clarify, by "God concept," I mean your God as you perceive it rather than the concept itself. In other words, what happens to God once humans become extinct? I've since removed the word "concept" to eliminate confusion. Apologies for any confusion or lack of clarity in my OP.

Thereafter, I will not be there to answer your question.
If by-chance you still remain alive, then you will find yourself asking this question to "God"

I am sure, hehe.

Etritonakin · Apr 27, 2019

: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time.…

21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

That all pretty much equates to acting by fiat -a direct interface rather than our present bodies -to the point of ordering cosmic events, etc. -such as a planet-killing asteroid or something being easily diverted by will -and creating throughout the universe.... so not only will the resurrected not be subject to extinction, but the new heavens and new earth will likewise be purposefully made not subject to mass-extinction events.

Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

oldbadger · Apr 27, 2019

ChristineM said:
You want a one word answer that massages your ego?

No........ I just wanted an answer.
But I will read the answer that possibly massages your ego, yes?

My answer is rather longer than one word, but i will keep it as short as possible.

Yeah...... your ego!

I knew you couldn't just give a straight 'yes' or 'no'.

First causality is a by product of thermodynamics, the rules of which in this universe coalesced after the bb so to cite cause before causality is fraught to begin with.

Is your answer a 'yes' or a 'no'?
Is the a reason why or a cause of the initiation of our universe?

Next, i know of 28 possible scenarios, hypothesis, as to how this universe came in to being. All of them are based on mathematics or observation of events in our universe (such as the bruising on the cmb and the whole raft of galaxies moving contrary to general expansion of the universe) and some need no cause.

Wow! A possible No?
What about the rule of cause and effect?
You think science suggests our Universe came about for no reason?
How unscientific.

None of them include god, in fact without sound mathematical working and/or verified, relevent observations, any hypothesis on how our universe began is dismissed.

That's just your faith.
A Deist view is that the whole of everything is a part of God.
Our Universe may only be a minute part of all.

So you can show mathematics and/relevant observational data to show god did it?

Because without such what you have is faith

Can you provide any maths about the initiation of the Universe at all?
I think not. Our best minds are in professional discussion and contention over the matter at this time.

And you just couldn't give me a definite 'Yes', just a partial 'No'.
Interesting.

oldbadger · Apr 27, 2019

chinu said:
Thereafter, I will not be there to answer your question.
If by-chance you still remain alive, then you will find yourself asking this question to "God"

I am sure, hehe.

Hi Chinu....!

As a Deist I perceive that God has always been around, is all around, and will remain all around.

......... long after our Sol has died. Long after our Universe has dissipated, or collapsed, or whatever.

No problem!

chinu · Apr 27, 2019

oldbadger said:
Hi Chinu....!

As a Deist I perceive that God has always been around, is all around, and will remain all around.

......... long after our Sol has died. Long after our Universe has dissipated, or collapsed, or whatever.

No problem!

Yes “He” is/will always be here/there.

ChristineM · Apr 27, 2019

oldbadger said:
No........ I just wanted an answer.
But I will read the answer that possibly massages your ego, yes?

Yeah...... your ego!
I knew you couldn't just give a straight 'yes' or 'no'.

Is your answer a 'yes' or a 'no'?
Is the a reason why or a cause of the initiation of our universe?

Wow! A possible No?
What about the rule of cause and effect?
You think science suggests our Universe came about for no reason?
How unscientific.

That's just your faith.
A Deist view is that the whole of everything is a part of God.
Our Universe may only be a minute part of all.

Can you provide any maths about the initiation of the Universe at all?
I think not. Our best minds are in professional discussion and contention over the matter at this time.

And you just couldn't give me a definite 'Yes', just a partial 'No'.
Interesting.

The answer is not yes or no, i am surprised you dont realise that

You read my answer, do not try forcing me to your simplistic view.

Problems reading? The laws of thermodynamics did not begin to resolve in this universe until after the bb. One does not put the cart before the horse

Did i say no reason??? Or did i say (and i quote) "and some need no cause."

Nope, not faith, a simple "i dont know and i dont guess"

Yes the deist view is faith "that the whole of everything is a part of God."

You mean the maths like this that you think i cant supply?
Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

Correct, there are to many possible options for a black or white answer.

SalixIncendium · Apr 27, 2019

dybmh said:
I don't think God is only concerned with humans. But, i think that humans, so far, have the most complex set of emotions. That makes humans interesting.

I also think that humans make the most mistakes. In that way, God is rooting for the underdog.

There is really nothing to indicate that our set of emotions is any more complex than any other being. We perceive them to be more complex because we can experience them.

As for mistakes, if you've experienced roadkill, you'd realize that other beings make mistakes as well.

SalixIncendium · Apr 27, 2019

chinu said:
Thereafter, I will not be there to answer your question.
If by-chance you still remain alive, then you will find yourself asking this question to "God"

I am sure, hehe.

What makes you think I haven't already?

Vee · Apr 27, 2019

SalixIncendium said:
That's a reassuring sentiment, but it's generally accepted that our sun will continue to expand until it incinerates life on earth. What then?

Generally accepted doesn't equal being absolutely sure. We can speculate all we want but the truth is, for every new thing we learn, there are many others we still know nothing about. We came a long way, and we owe a lot to science, but we still have a lot to learn and we'll never know everything.

SalixIncendium · Apr 27, 2019

Vee said:
Generally accepted doesn't equal being absolutely sure. We can speculate all we want but the truth is, for every new thing we learn, there are many others we still know nothing about. We came a long way, and we owe a lot to science, but we still have a lot to learn and we'll never know everything.

Even if the hypothesis that the sun will lose its mass as it become a red giant and the earth will drift outward as the sun loses its gravitational pull on it, the sun will ultimately become a white dwarf, at which point the earth will become uninhabitable regardless due to the frigid temperatures.

Vinayaka · Apr 27, 2019

Siva will just be dancing a slightly different dance. Other than that, no change.

oldbadger · Apr 28, 2019

chinu said:
Yes “He” is/will always be here/there.

I acknowledge your belief about God's gender, but for me, a Deist, the closest match (and most awesome power) in existence is 'Nature', and my culture has always referred to Mother Nature. And so many people refer to places of initiation (races, Stars, etc) as creches and birthplaces.

I just feel comfortable with Nature as 'feminine' although it might be more accurate to think of God as Neutral, maybe?

Enoch07 · Apr 28, 2019

SalixIncendium said:
It is not likely to all go extinct simultaneously. I’m speaking of when humans become extinct and other life still exists.

I can't speak for other religions or even Christianity. But my understanding of the Bible leads me to believe that when humans go extinct, i.e. the apocalypse, it's a global level event and all life is extinguished at the exact same moment. So a giant asteroid hitting the earth type extinction level event to give you an idea.

And to follow up with answering the question in the OP. I will be going by the Bible and what happens after the extinction is in Revelations. God restores the Earth then establishes Heaven on Earth where we all live as spiritual beings with Him. So all that happens is we continue on with God instead of being separated from Him. This time in spiritual form, so we are free from the bindings and drawbacks of the flesh.

What happens from then on I don't know. Personally I think its cyclical and we've been through this whole cycle several times over millions of years. But that's just a personal theory of mine.

oldbadger · Apr 28, 2019

ChristineM said:
The answer is not yes or no, i am surprised you dont realise that

Of course it is, and can be.
But I have never yet read a post by an atheist which can answer the question with a simple 'yes' or 'no'. They either go and hide or or write a lot of waffle.

You read my answer, do not try forcing me to your simplistic view.

Problems reading? The laws of thermodynamics did not begin to resolve in this universe until after the bb. One does not put the cart before the horse

Did i say no reason??? Or did i say (and i quote) "and some need no cause."

Yep...... more word-sauce, and you sure did write 'some need no cause', which is delightful.

Nope, not faith, a simple "i dont know and i dont guess"

Oh........ agnostic viewpoint?
You always seemed so much more determined than 'There may be a God or not', kind of thing. OK, fair enough

Yes the deist view is faith "that the whole of everything is a part of God."

What a joke. Do you mean to suggest that Deists 'have faith' that after death their bodies are scattered all around for ever? That's 'faith'? Faith in their Deity?

It just is.......

You mean the maths like this that you think i cant supply?
Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

So you wanted to answer 'No' but couldn't bring yourself to do it?

Correct, there are to many possible options for a black or white answer.

Options?
Did you mean to write 'Reasons' or 'Causes', possibly?

ChristineM · Apr 28, 2019

oldbadger said:
Of course it is, and can be.
But I have never yet read a post by an atheist which can answer the question with a simple 'yes' or 'no'. They either go and hide or or write a lot of waffle.

Yep...... more word-sauce, and you sure did write 'some need no cause', which is delightful.

Oh........ agnostic viewpoint?
You always seemed so much more determined than 'There may be a God or not', kind of thing. OK, fair enough

What a joke. Do you mean to suggest that Deists 'have faith' that after death their bodies are scattered all around for ever? That's 'faith'? Faith in their Deity?

It just is.......

So you wanted to answer 'No' but couldn't bring yourself to do it?

Options?
Did you mean to write 'Reasons' or 'Causes', possibly?

Only in a very simplistic view, unfortunately for you the universe is not simplistic. But of couse, you see it as simplistic for reasons that suite suite your ego.

Because you do not comprehend that causality is a function of thermodynamics and the laws of thermodynamics did not begin to resolve in this universe until after the Planck epoch, ignorance, deliberate or otherwise explains your failed attempt at sarcasm

Hang on, we were talking about big bang, now you shift the goal posts. However, the laws of conservation of energy does tell us that in a closed system energy cannot be created or destroyed. So no faith required.

Dont tell me what i wanted to do, that is the height of ignorance. I did what i wanted to do, and you dont like it.

oldbadger · Apr 28, 2019

ChristineM said:
Only in a very simplistic view, unfortunately for you the universe is not simplistic. But of couse, you see it as simplistic for reasons that suite suite your ego.

Because you do not comprehend that causality is a function of thermodynamics and the laws of thermodynamics did not begin to resolve in this universe until after the Planck epoch, ignorance, deliberate or otherwise explains your failed attempt at sarcasm

Hang on, we were talking about big bang, now you shift the goal posts. However, the laws of conservation of energy does tell us that in a closed system energy cannot be created or destroyed. So no faith required.

Dont tell me what i wanted to do, that is the height of ignorance. I did what i wanted to do, and you dont like it.

And there is a typical example of how a simple Yes or No question can so trouble determined atheism.

I wonder if people like Brian Cox think that there is a reason for everything, which is all that I asked.

Yes or No.

ChristineM · Apr 28, 2019

oldbadger said:
And there is a typical example of how a simple Yes or No question can so trouble determined atheism.

I wonder if people like Brian Cox think that there is a reason for everything, which is all that I asked.

Yes or No.

So please explain the simplicity of god magic... Waiting.

BTW, i did provide a link to a scientific paper, as YOU REQUESTED. You seem to have ignored that... I wonder why?

You never mentioned Brian Cox or anyone else so stop shifting the goal posts.

And knowing Brian he would give a more in depth and scientifically precise answer.

chinu · Apr 29, 2019

oldbadger said:
I acknowledge your belief about God's gender, but for me, a Deist, the closest match (and most awesome power) in existence is 'Nature', and my culture has always referred to Mother Nature. And so many people refer to places of initiation (races, Stars, etc) as creches and birthplaces.

I just feel comfortable with Nature as 'feminine' although it might be more accurate to think of God as Neutral, maybe?

Dear badger,

to me God is gender-less. (Neither He, nor She)

Reason for putting " " is just to highlight the divine "Light" behind the word.

oldbadger · Apr 29, 2019

chinu said:
Dear badger,

to me God is gender-less. (Neither He, nor She)

Reason for putting " " is just to highlight the divine "Light" behind the word.

OK...... No problems with that.

I see God as genderless as well, in fact, but to God as 'it' would be very insulting.

I hope everything is going well for you.

What Happens to Your God After the Extinction of Humans?

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