Gender Dysphoria: Collapsing Humanity

Shadow Wolf · Mar 26, 2019

sooda said:
The Muslim army entered the city unpretentiously and peacefully. No house was robbed, no man or woman was insulted. The Prophet granted a general amnesty to the entire population of Mecca. Only four criminals, whom justice condemned, were proscribed.

He did however, order the destruction of all idols and pagan images of worship, upon which three hundred and fifty idols which were in the Sacred House of Kaba were thrown down. The Prophet himself destroyed a wooden pigeon hung from the roof and regarded as one of the deities of the Quraish.

During the downfall of the images and idols he was heard to cry aloud: "Allah is great. Truth has come and falsehood has vanished; verily falsehood is fleeting." The old idolaters observed thoughtfully the destruction of their gods which were utterly powerless.

http://www.alim.org/library/biography/stories/content/SOP/43/30/Muhammad (Muhammad)/Conquest of Mecca

Have you not read the Quran? There are most definitely war stories, war orders, conquests, prisoners of wars, ambushes, and slaughters.

Shadow Wolf · Mar 26, 2019

Evangelicalhumanist said:
I'd like you to clarify why it is that you think the very, very, very few people who do in fact experience some form of gender dysphoria pose a serious danger to humanity itself.

Well, you know....don't you? I mean.....you....you have spread your gay around, right? Everyone knows that trans gets spread around just like the gay does.

9-18-1 · Mar 26, 2019

The_Fisher_King said:
How do you define what is natural and what is unnatural (in general terms)?

By natural I mean any process in creation not *requiring* intervention and/or assistance - it just manages itself, as in the case of conception and developing a fetus in the womb of a woman. Unnatural would be artificial insemination / growing a fetus outside a womb. That is not to say anything that is "unnatural" is necessarily bad or wrong, it is just not "natural".

Saint Frankenstein said:
Are you okay? Need your meds upped?

I don't take medications - I never have.

QuestioningMind said:
I'm not "threatened" by anyone.

ROFL.... yeah right. Did you even bother to read the title you gave this OP? You are equating gender dysphoria with the collapse of humanity! That indicates that you feel VERY threatened.

And how about answering the questions I asked? Why this obsession with pigeonholing everyone into narrow categories based upon your irrational fears? Why does what feels normal and natural to you have to feel normal and natural to everyone else as well? You definitely sound like someone who feels threatened and insecure.

I'm not threatened by anything - I'm more worried about others, particularly women.

sooda said:
Muhammed wasn't a war lord.. He was a merchant.

He sold people as (sex) slaves. Islam is still doing it after 1400 years.

I know you worship Muhammad/Islam/Qur'an thinking it it came from god and Muhammad was the greatest thing since sliced bread. He was/is actually an infidel war lord.

David T said:
only a diphead references the Bible as science fact. Which actually is normal..

Nobody here stated the Bible as fact.

Evangelicalhumanist said:
To go right back to the beginning of this thread, I would like you to focus on just one question, and is a question that you bring up in the thread's title itself: "Collapsing Humanity."

I'd like you to clarify why it is that you think the very, very, very few people who do in fact experience some form of gender dysphoria pose a serious danger to humanity itself.

I mean, I can begin what could become an extremely long list of threats to humanity, and it would be a long list of much more populous groups than those few who suffer gender dysphoria. For example:

Religious extremists who think that non-believers should be killed, usually violently

People who practice unsafe sex, leading to the infection of millions

Disturbed people who own guns, and wind up using them to kill serially

Makers and distributors of dangerous drugs like opioids and so forth, which are now killing people in their thousands

People who drink and drive, with no concern for the lives of others

People who go to work sick, without thinking that some they infect may have compromised immune systems and thus putting real lives at risk

You should be able to see that this list could go on, and on, and on. Yet you've chosen to single out a very tiny population of people, who genuinely (I presume) feel at odds with their own physical gender, and hold them up as leading to the very collapse of humanity!

I should dearly like to know why...

Right; first I am not associating gender dysphoria as *the* cause of a collapsing humanity. It is an indicator - a symptom that points back to a much greater problem that is not outside the scope of the points you mentioned.

I had made this point already earlier: if women are abused and/or men are shamed (ie. any gender is shamed) the dysphoria begins; people become insecure and disassociate with their gender. This is a symptom - indeed gender dysphoria itself is a symptom of a greater problem. The problem lies in gender shaming, which is most prevalent in Islam. Women are treated/regarded as second class citizens and are essentially enslaved to Men - just as was the case with Muhammad and his wives/concubines. This has never changed. As Islam continues to degenerate the West it will only escalate.

I am not singling out anyone - I don't care when such people look for ways to be offended and attack others for it. This humanity is degenerating for many reasons - not the least of which is people have elevated their personal feelings to the most important thing in the world, which again, essentially comes from the supremacy of Judaism/Islam. This constant sense of victim hood - it is like an illness. There always needs to be someone to blame - never something to address. We can not talk to/with Muslims (or Jews) about how their books are actually man-made because they get "offended". We can not discuss the character of Muhammad because Muslims worship him and spill blood over criticisms of him. They treat themselves as superior - no doubt inspired by the prophet who committed genocide against entire races who rejected him.

This is all funny to me because it is perfectly consistent:
-Muslims feel like victims and attack whoever criticizes Islam
-"Minorities" feel like victims and attack whoever criticizes whatever they are a "minority" to/of

It is the same pathetic "me, me, me" mentality - their personal feelings are the most important thing in the world. This is why I don't let "feelings" govern how/what I research or meditate on - allowing feelings to persuade judgment is the same thing as "sin" and/or the "sons of god" intercession with "daughters of man". It is also the same as Abraham having to leave the land of Ur - it is all the same symbol, and they are in the Bible for the Jews/Christians/Muslims who "believe" it is from god.

So I am more than happy to discuss anything/everything - but when emotions get injected by people who feel "offended" I really will not show too much regard, especially if the person suffers themselves. If not for having to constantly read how Muhammadan human trafficking networks are being disassembled and women/children being trafficked, all the while Muslims worship the man that started it all, I wouldn't be doing what I do. As I said I *really* don't care about others' personal feelings when it comes to these topics. If they don't like that they literally can go buy a pack of gum or something.

sooda · Mar 26, 2019

9-18-1 said:
By natural I mean any process in creation not *requiring* intervention and/or assistance - it just manages itself, as in the case of conception and developing a fetus in the womb of a woman. Unnatural would be artificial insemination / growing a fetus outside a womb. That is not to say anything that is "unnatural" is necessarily bad or wrong, it is just not "natural".

I don't take medications - I never have.

I'm not threatened by anything - I'm more worried about others, particularly women.

He sold people as (sex) slaves. Islam is still doing it after 1400 years.

I know you worship Muhammad/Islam/Qur'an thinking it it came from god and Muhammad was the greatest thing since sliced bread. He was/is actually an infidel war lord.

Nobody here stated the Bible as fact.

Right; first I am not associating gender dysphoria as *the* cause of a collapsing humanity. It is an indicator - a symptom that points back to a much greater problem that is not outside the scope of the points you mentioned.

I had made this point already earlier: if women are abused and/or men are shamed (ie. any gender is shamed) the dysphoria begins; people become insecure and disassociate with their gender. This is a symptom - indeed gender dysphoria itself is a symptom of a greater problem. The problem lies in gender shaming, which is most prevalent in Islam. Women are treated/regarded as second class citizens and are essentially enslaved to Men - just as was the case with Muhammad and his wives/concubines. This has never changed. As Islam continues to degenerate the West it will only escalate.

I am not singling out anyone - I don't care when such people look for ways to be offended and attack others for it. This humanity is degenerating for many reasons - not the least of which is people have elevated their personal feelings to the most important thing in the world, which again, essentially comes from the supremacy of Judaism/Islam. This constant sense of victim hood - it is like an illness. There always needs to be someone to blame - never something to address. We can not talk to/with Muslims (or Jews) about how their books are actually man-made because they get "offended". We can not discuss the character of Muhammad because Muslims worship him and spill blood over criticisms of him. They treat themselves as superior - no doubt inspired by the prophet who committed genocide against entire races who rejected him.

This is all funny to me because it is perfectly consistent:
-Muslims feel like victims and attack whoever criticizes Islam
-"Minorities" feel like victims and attack whoever criticizes whatever they are a "minority" to/of

It is the same pathetic "me, me, me" mentality - their personal feelings are the most important thing in the world. This is why I don't let "feelings" govern how/what I research or meditate on - allowing feelings to persuade judgment is the same thing as "sin" and/or the "sons of god" intercession with "daughters of man". It is also the same as Abraham having to leave the land of Ur - it is all the same symbol, and they are in the Bible for the Jews/Christians/Muslims who "believe" it is from god.

So I am more than happy to discuss anything/everything - but when emotions get injected by people who feel "offended" I really will not show too much regard, especially if the person suffers themselves. If not for having to constantly read how Muhammadan human trafficking networks are being disassembled and women/children being trafficked, all the while Muslims worship the man that started it all, I wouldn't be doing what I do. As I said I *really* don't care about others' personal feelings when it comes to these topics. If they don't like that they literally can go buy a pack of gum or something.

He didn't sell women as sex slaves.. Every war widow had to have a family to survive in Arabia. You're awfully young and don't know much about Muslims or Islam or history.

Neuropteron · Mar 26, 2019

9-18-1 said:
This again brings me back to why "belief" is not a virtue: "believing" that any particular book or long-dead man is the greatest thing to use (ie. bind ones self to) as a guide has produced nothing but long-term destruction on this planet, which is why I vehemently oppose the Patriarchal institutions causing it: not the least of which are Islam and Christianity.

For those who have perhaps read my other two posts: this "shame" is another form of "the expression of being bound in an ongoing state" (satan) and is at the basis of the gender dysphoria. As such, I do say (not rhetorically) that gender dysphoria is practically "satanic", along with the religions and peoples of religions that cause / give rise to it.

I agree with your comments on gender dysphoria.

Concerning belief/faith true it's not a virtue, nonetheless it is a requirement of everyday life.

The essence of belief is either that it's not visible or will happen in the future.
[i.e. I believe the baker is closed on Sunday but opened on Monday, so I go to the baker on Monday.]

In regards to matters involving our very existence it is important that we believe in reality.

If for instance there is a God - that has given us a guide - not believing in him will be to our detriment.

On the other hand if there is no God, "let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we will die" (1Co 15:32).

The point I'm hoping to mke is that we owe it to ourselves to make sure.

Kangaroo Feathers · Mar 26, 2019

Neuropteron said:
If for instance there is a God - that has given us a guide - not believing in him will be to our detriment.

On the other hand if there is no God, "let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we will die" (1Co 15:32).

I personally believe that God has a special place in Hell for Pascal's wagerists.

Evangelicalhumanist · Mar 26, 2019

9-18-1 said:
Right; first I am not associating gender dysphoria as *the* cause of a collapsing humanity. It is an indicator - a symptom that points back to a much greater problem that is not outside the scope of the points you mentioned.

Just to start, by the way, I haven't any idea what you mean by "collapsing humanity." Could you perhaps expand on that a bit? Are we dying, evolving, committing mass suicide, or just waiting to be turned into pigs by Circe?

I had made this point already earlier: if women are abused and/or men are shamed (ie. any gender is shamed) the dysphoria begins; people become insecure and disassociate with their gender. This is a symptom - indeed gender dysphoria itself is a symptom of a greater problem. The problem lies in gender shaming, which is most prevalent in Islam. Women are treated/regarded as second class citizens and are essentially enslaved to Men - just as was the case with Muhammad and his wives/concubines. This has never changed. As Islam continues to degenerate the West it will only escalate.

Now, in light of this, can you tell us why it is that, since the prevalence of this sort of "gender shaming" is in Islam, the majority of transgendered discussion is happening outside of Islam, and second, can you explain why -- since gender shaming is mostly aimed at females, the majority of those suffering from gender dysphoria are males who identify as female? This is, you must admit, perplexing.

I am not singling out anyone - I don't care when such people look for ways to be offended and attack others for it. This humanity is degenerating for many reasons - not the least of which is people have elevated their personal feelings to the most important thing in the world, which again, essentially comes from the supremacy of Judaism/Islam. This constant sense of victim hood - it is like an illness. There always needs to be someone to blame - never something to address. We can not talk to/with Muslims (or Jews) about how their books are actually man-made because they get "offended". We can not discuss the character of Muhammad because Muslims worship him and spill blood over criticisms of him. They treat themselves as superior - no doubt inspired by the prophet who committed genocide against entire races who rejected him.

Question for you: when was the last time you actually looked for the good, the positive, in any other person or people? What is it makes you resolutely negative?

This is all funny to me because it is perfectly consistent:
-Muslims feel like victims and attack whoever criticizes Islam
-"Minorities" feel like victims and attack whoever criticizes whatever they are a "minority" to/of

It is the same pathetic "me, me, me" mentality - their personal feelings are the most important thing in the world.

And lo and behold, that is precisely where you are...every argument you make is made from the "me, me, me" of your own personal feelings.

Try looking outside yourself for a moment...there's lots to see.

9-18-1 · Mar 26, 2019

sooda said:
He didn't sell women as sex slaves.. Every war widow had to have a family to survive in Arabia. You're awfully young and don't know much about Muslims or Islam or history.

EXAMPLE OF PSYCHOLOGICALPROJECTION

I am going to use this person's response as a *perfect* example of psychological projection hereby defined:

When an individual projects his/her own qualities/characteristics into another being(s) and judges/condemns/attacks them on their basis.

What did this user just do? *Read* the following closely:

sooda said:
He didn't sell women as sex slaves.. Every war widow had to have a family to survive in Arabia. You're awfully young and don't know much about Muslims or Islam or history.

1. Muhammad *did* take/use/sell women as sex slaves. That is why women are considered a "spoil of war" and have their own chapter in the Qur'an.
2. War widows only come from war - which Muhammad/Islam wages against *ALL* beings that do not "believe" the Qur'an is PERFECT and/or he is a "prophet"
(now do you see why "belief" is not a virtue?)
3. sooda is the one who does not actually *know* anything about Islamic history.

Where else do we see projection?

Islamophobia: Muslims have a phobia of criticisms of Islam.

What do they do?

They:

9-18-1 said:
projects his/her own qualities/characteristics into another being(s) and judges/condemns/attacks them on their basis.

Let's play a game.

Is Islam a religion of PEACE?
Define 'peace'.

270 000 000 dead as a result of Islamic jihad.
Most of them were Muslims.
Who do Muslims blame?
"Jews"?
"Christians/Polytheists"?
"Unbelievers"?
"Infidels"?
"The "white" West"?
Define racism.

What is an infidel?
What is polygamy?
How many wives did Muhammad have?
How old was A'isha when Muhammad acted on his sexual impulse for her?
Define 'rape'.

Why do Muhammadans spill blood over criticisms of Muhammad?
Define 'idol worship'.
What testimony must every single Muslim make in order to join Islam?
Define 'false witness'.
Do Muslims "claim" Moses was a prophet of god?
Are there any commandments regarding false witness?

ויאמר אלהים יהי אור ויהי אור
לא תענה ברעך עד שקר

Is there any testimony that can 'truthfully' (emes) be given of a dead man?
Define 'the sum of all fears'.
Women - the Men who fear their Voice.

Where does 'gender dysphoria' come from?
Where does 'gender dysphoria' REALLY come from?
Who was Adolph Hitler?
Who REALLY was Adolph Hitler?
Did any other religious/political figure also commit genocide against Jews?
Why?

Game. Set. Match.
For The Women.

The_Fisher_King · Mar 26, 2019

9-18-1 said:
By natural I mean any process in creation not *requiring* intervention and/or assistance - it just manages itself, as in the case of conception and developing a fetus in the womb of a woman. Unnatural would be artificial insemination / growing a fetus outside a womb. That is not to say anything that is "unnatural" is necessarily bad or wrong, it is just not "natural".

Can you provide a more general definition of what is 'natural', one that is not limited to (pro)creation?

And what makes something that is 'unnatural' bad or wrong? Is artificial insemination bad or wrong or something to be avoided in your worldview (on account of it being unnatural)? Is homosexual sexual relations between two men 'unnatural' and if so, is it bad or wrong in your eyes? What about between two women?

9-18-1 said:
We can not talk to/with Muslims (or Jews) about how their books are actually man-made because they get "offended".

I'm happy to debate my religion (including the possibility that the Qur'an might be man-made). I won't get offended, don't worry.

Saint Frankenstein · Mar 26, 2019

9-18-1 said:
I don't take medications - I never have.

It shows. *clicks ignore*

QuestioningMind · Mar 26, 2019

9-18-1 said:
By natural I mean any process in creation not *requiring* intervention and/or assistance - it just manages itself, as in the case of conception and developing a fetus in the womb of a woman. Unnatural would be artificial insemination / growing a fetus outside a womb. That is not to say anything that is "unnatural" is necessarily bad or wrong, it is just not "natural".

I don't take medications - I never have.

I'm not threatened by anything - I'm more worried about others, particularly women.

He sold people as (sex) slaves. Islam is still doing it after 1400 years.

I know you worship Muhammad/Islam/Qur'an thinking it it came from god and Muhammad was the greatest thing since sliced bread. He was/is actually an infidel war lord.

Nobody here stated the Bible as fact.

Right; first I am not associating gender dysphoria as *the* cause of a collapsing humanity. It is an indicator - a symptom that points back to a much greater problem that is not outside the scope of the points you mentioned.

I had made this point already earlier: if women are abused and/or men are shamed (ie. any gender is shamed) the dysphoria begins; people become insecure and disassociate with their gender. This is a symptom - indeed gender dysphoria itself is a symptom of a greater problem. The problem lies in gender shaming, which is most prevalent in Islam. Women are treated/regarded as second class citizens and are essentially enslaved to Men - just as was the case with Muhammad and his wives/concubines. This has never changed. As Islam continues to degenerate the West it will only escalate.

I am not singling out anyone - I don't care when such people look for ways to be offended and attack others for it. This humanity is degenerating for many reasons - not the least of which is people have elevated their personal feelings to the most important thing in the world, which again, essentially comes from the supremacy of Judaism/Islam. This constant sense of victim hood - it is like an illness. There always needs to be someone to blame - never something to address. We can not talk to/with Muslims (or Jews) about how their books are actually man-made because they get "offended". We can not discuss the character of Muhammad because Muslims worship him and spill blood over criticisms of him. They treat themselves as superior - no doubt inspired by the prophet who committed genocide against entire races who rejected him.

This is all funny to me because it is perfectly consistent:
-Muslims feel like victims and attack whoever criticizes Islam
-"Minorities" feel like victims and attack whoever criticizes whatever they are a "minority" to/of

It is the same pathetic "me, me, me" mentality - their personal feelings are the most important thing in the world. This is why I don't let "feelings" govern how/what I research or meditate on - allowing feelings to persuade judgment is the same thing as "sin" and/or the "sons of god" intercession with "daughters of man". It is also the same as Abraham having to leave the land of Ur - it is all the same symbol, and they are in the Bible for the Jews/Christians/Muslims who "believe" it is from god.

So I am more than happy to discuss anything/everything - but when emotions get injected by people who feel "offended" I really will not show too much regard, especially if the person suffers themselves. If not for having to constantly read how Muhammadan human trafficking networks are being disassembled and women/children being trafficked, all the while Muslims worship the man that started it all, I wouldn't be doing what I do. As I said I *really* don't care about others' personal feelings when it comes to these topics. If they don't like that they literally can go buy a pack of gum or something.

I'm not threatened by anything - I'm more worried about others, particularly women.

That's a joke, right? You're predicting the collapse of humanity.... but you're not threatened by it.

If nothing else you are CLEARLY threatened by the questions I've asked, because you are STILL avoiding them.

Why this obsession with pigeonholing everyone into narrow categories based upon your irrational fears? Why does what feels normal and natural to you have to feel normal and natural to everyone else as well? You definitely sound like someone who feels threatened and insecure.

Liu · Mar 27, 2019

9-18-1 said:
I had made this point already earlier: if women are abused and/or men are shamed (ie. any gender is shamed) the dysphoria begins; people become insecure and disassociate with their gender. This is a symptom - indeed gender dysphoria itself is a symptom of a greater problem. The problem lies in gender shaming, which is most prevalent in Islam. Women are treated/regarded as second class citizens and are essentially enslaved to Men - just as was the case with Muhammad and his wives/concubines. This has never changed. As Islam continues to degenerate the West it will only escalate.

I already had gender disporia long before I had any idea that there are cultures in which women are treated like in Islam. (yeah, I grew up fairly sheltered).

Of course gender disporia becomes more obvious if the culture makes a large difference between the sexes - I could behave like a guy for the most part anyway, and while that lead to people wondering why I got sad by them gifting me Barbie dolls when I was like 6 (I felt so misunderstood that I started crying) and classmates shaming me for e.g. not shaving my legs in middle school/high school, I wouldn't have come to the conclusion of being transgender (many years later) if I hadn't had disporia regarding my body's sexual characteristics.

Sure there was some shaming - but not about women behaving like women but about me not behaving like one. And that I didn't behave like one was not because of them being shamed for anything but for not identifying with their behaviors to such a degree that even getting shamed for refusing to act like that didn't convince me (but I was made fun of by other children for pretty much anything since kindergarden, so I was used to that and didn't associate it with gender that much at that point).

9-18-1 · Mar 27, 2019

The_Fisher_King said:
Can you provide a more general definition of what is 'natural', one that is not limited to (pro)creation?

And what makes something that is 'unnatural' bad or wrong? Is artificial insemination bad or wrong or something to be avoided in your worldview (on account of it being unnatural)? Is homosexual sexual relations between two men 'unnatural' and if so, is it bad or wrong in your eyes? What about between two women?

I'm happy to debate my religion (including the possibility that the Qur'an might be man-made). I won't get offended, don't worry.

As I stated because something is 'unnatural' has no bearing on its quality. Unnatural things can be very good, others can be not good.

I would define 'natural' as any product being derived by a natural process(es) of which is in some capacity by its its host. For example 'earth' is a host. Before there was "life" there were natural processes (governed by the many known laws of thermodynamics, chemistry, physics etc.) which gave rise to a hotting/cooling planet which eventually became of water. This new 'host' gives rise to green land formations; vegetation etc. all following a 'natural' process.

All of this is in the first chapters of Genesis btw - not to say "therefor God" as once again I always have to repeat for the snowflakes (the ones who think they are special/unique not realizing they are just as special/unique as every other snowflake that ever existed and will exist) I am not saying the book of Genesis is an authority - but just understand that approx. ~3.5 billion people or so "believe" Genesis came from god. So if 3.5 billion people were *all* going to agree on one thing (that Genesis came from *their* god - even though there are three different religions...?) the book states these processes very clearly. In fact, not only does it describe these processes, it even talks about "human" processes that relate to psychology. The problem is: how accurate are they to the real world? One has to test them - that is what 'conscience' does - asks questions, seek answers.

Hello conscience, meet "belief".
<conscience dies>

If you "believe" something, it means you are not challenging (questioning) its validity - you are merely operating under an assumption as if it is true. What are the implications of this?

What if the Torah/Bible/Qur'an is/are *not* the perfect word(s) of any god (which I argue is *true*) whilst billions of people "believe" they are? What if "believing" human beings are themselves projecting (psychological projection) and/or imbuing (effectively: treating) these books with an authority they don't actually have? That is exactly what is happening - unfortunately.

This is why "belief" is not a virtue - and I don't even regard "belief" as 'natural' - I regard it unnatural, because it distorts rather than illuminates. There is no real substance in "belief" except it defines the contents of one who possesses it. A "believing" Muslim is no closer to god than a "believing" Adolph Hitler who thought he was doing god's work (which he expressly stated he was, by the way). Is Adolph Hitler 'natural'?

For example the *entire* Hebrew mythology is one string of successive landmarks that one achieves as they learn certain fundamental axiomatic truths about the ways of life. That is the whole thing Jesus ("Christians" who "believe" Jesus was GOD and "Muslims" who "believe" he was a prophet - both mostly hypocrites) that Christ *is* the truth of the way of life. Christ is not a person - it is the same as meshiach in Judaism: the redeemer. When one learns/understands and derives wisdom, the wisdom serves the same "function" as Christ.

See by 'natural' in terms of human psychology, one is naturally ignorant. This is the state of chaos; without form. It is the darkness that is on the face of the abyss and (given we were all born out of the water/womb of our mothers) the "spirit of god" moves there and calls for light. What is light? I spent over a year on it - it is everything. There is not a thing that is not derivative of light. It is the basis of creation even before matter: light has non-physical properties, such as it illuminates. Can ones inner being (does a[n inner] being *really* occupy and space at all?) etc. This moving from darkness into light is as 'natural' as evening becoming morning - this is the first 'cycle' that everything is sustained on. The Genesis account is a structure: it has moving parts. I could draw a conception of it (it is not physical per se) if needed - the important thing to understand is 'light' is the basis of everything else. So everything that is a product of 'light' is natural.

Is "evil" 'natural'?
Is "rape" 'natural'?

And here is where it all breaks down for most: there are some who would say these are all not good / bad. But would/could they argue it is 'natural'? Suppose someone argues in favor: it is natural; perhaps undesired, but natural (it happens semi-frequently). Do you know where this eventually leads? People justifying rape. Essentially what most people claim is 'natural' is removing/nullifying and/all "moral" considerations regarding such an act. This is exactly what has happened in Islam and one of the reasons the *woman* is shamed/blamed (from/by men) when raped. Not the fault of the man that actually raped her due to his own iniquities - but of the woman. Why is this backwards?

Genesis describes this as Adam blaming the woman for eating the fruits as she gave them to him. In other words: it is because the woman tempted the man sexually by her looks that the man acted, therefor the woman is at fault. See it in Islam? That is *the* fall of man: man blames woman for his own iniquity. I am giving you people the answer - men blaming/shaming women. Look at Justin Trudeau in Canada - why is he silencing women / blocking them from speaking against him? Where did he learn that kind of behavior from? Who are his handlers? All Islamic.

And the Jews/Christians/Muslims "beeellieevveeeee" Genesis is from their god, so in their own book it says: man blames woman for his own iniquity and messes everything up. Do you think Muslims understand this? What are they to do with the women in/of Islam - enslave them to themselves? How did the prophet of Islam treat women? How many wives did he have? How did they describe Muhammad (does anyone ever read the accounts from his wives? Some of them regretted marrying him and called him insane)? What did A'isha say of Muslim women? To the effect of: "I have never seen a more suffering woman than a Muslim woman." If it was true then, is it true now? Is this 'natural'?

And people are still brain-dead as to the problem: the "health" of the woman (isha - the mother of all the living you bible readers who *do* treat the bible as an authority,even if I do not) is directly tied/proportional to the health of the planet "mother earth". Therefor the planet is a reflection of Her (encompassing the collective Feminine) and the light of the sun is the light through Christ, which is *NOT* a person (Jesus is an idol, as is Muhammad: both "mercy upon mankind" idols serving as "beds" collected as per Revelation - this is why literacy is important). I know that sounds woo - but it is simple. 'Nature' is simple, simple, as simple as can be - two poles, one form (torus). Hence: Torah/Taroh. The Torah is basically a book about the 'nature' of torus fields (including people).

So the whole Bible describes the 25 920 year cycle as a circle including its twelve epochs. It is like a calendar, but in writing/story form. The processes of creation are therein (not intact /heavily modified/redacted, the same is true for the Qur'an) and condensed histories are given with fundamental axioms serving as the twelve epochs. Each epoch is centered around an axiom - this was the "religion" of ancient Egypt where Akhunatun/Moses came from. The 10 commandments are an abridged 42 Ma'at laws that every initiate had to sincerely testify after death that they did not do. The whole life process was a preparation for this event. Is this 'natural'?

And Akhunatun made his wife his equal with equal authority - stating there is only one god which comes through the rays/light of the sun, and it can only be attained from within (not without). This is why Akhunatun (Moses) banned all other forms of worship much to the disappointment (as you can imagine) of the various deities. This entire *thing* was recapitulated in Arabia with the whole Islam/Muhammad "thing" - I kind of have a suspicion that Muhammad is essentially a combination of Moses (same life story of getting kicked out and coming back to take control) and Jesus "mercy upon mankind". Still an idol - the historical Muhammad was trained in the Vatican. Again this was confirmed by Benjamin Fulford according to two of his sources - one the Catholic Encyclopedia, the other the P2 Masons.

The reason I mention all of this is because this is all connected - it is stupid to think of *past* vs. *now* because the past is a *part* of now (as with the example above: all things come from light and begin/end at a point), and the future is determined by what one would *choose* according to what he/she is faced with.

Interestingly, the numerical values for 'nature' and GOD (Elohim) are identical: the latter being a bestower/receiver structure (relationship) "acting" as one. This is why GOD is 'necessarily' a coming together of two to make one. This ties back into why I proposed the most fundamental structure to be of bestowal/reception via will. So nature involves this: when the will is shared they become co-creators "like Elohim: knowing good and evil" because they are uniting two polarities. If equilibrium = longer life (this is referred to as the elixir of lasting life in esotericism); if unbalanced = destruction. This is the measure of "sin" and why man (not woman, man) must pay the penalty (crucifixion) for his own sins, because he *is* always the culprit when the problem is reduced back: man blames woman for his own iniquity. This is how 'natural' justice occurs: men must pay for his own sin against the woman. Eve gets her own punishment for eating the fruits (pain associated /w bleeding - ongoing until menopause) and Adam has to till the soil with sweat. It is an archetypal "setting" that describes 'nature' from its most discernible primitive roots. This is how the Hebrew scriptures are written: and Genesis 1:1 is essentially a blueprint of a torus field or seed-in-itself structure which is the basis of all things living, including the structure of the human body itself.

sooda · Mar 27, 2019

9-18-1 said:
EXAMPLE OF PSYCHOLOGICALPROJECTION

I am going to use this person's response as a *perfect* example of psychological projection hereby defined:

When an individual projects his/her own qualities/characteristics into another being(s) and judges/condemns/attacks them on their basis.

What did this user just do? *Read* the following closely:

1. Muhammad *did* take/use/sell women as sex slaves. That is why women are considered a "spoil of war" and have their own chapter in the Qur'an.
2. War widows only come from war - which Muhammad/Islam wages against *ALL* beings that do not "believe" the Qur'an is PERFECT and/or he is a "prophet"
(now do you see why "belief" is not a virtue?)
3. sooda is the one who does not actually *know* anything about Islamic history.

Where else do we see projection?

Islamophobia: Muslims have a phobia of criticisms of Islam.

What do they do?

They:

Let's play a game.

Is Islam a religion of PEACE?
Define 'peace'.

270 000 000 dead as a result of Islamic jihad.
Most of them were Muslims.
Who do Muslims blame?
"Jews"?
"Christians/Polytheists"?
"Unbelievers"?
"Infidels"?
"The "white" West"?
Define racism.

What is an infidel?
What is polygamy?
How many wives did Muhammad have?
How old was A'isha when Muhammad acted on his sexual impulse for her?
Define 'rape'.

Why do Muhammadans spill blood over criticisms of Muhammad?
Define 'idol worship'.
What testimony must every single Muslim make in order to join Islam?
Define 'false witness'.
Do Muslims "claim" Moses was a prophet of god?
Are there any commandments regarding false witness?

ויאמר אלהים יהי אור ויהי אור
לא תענה ברעך עד שקר

Is there any testimony that can 'truthfully' (emes) be given of a dead man?
Define 'the sum of all fears'.
Women - the Men who fear their Voice.

Where does 'gender dysphoria' come from?
Where does 'gender dysphoria' REALLY come from?
Who was Adolph Hitler?
Who REALLY was Adolph Hitler?
Did any other religious/political figure also commit genocide against Jews?
Why?

Game. Set. Match.
For The Women.

Do you know that raiding caravans was common in the Middle East? That's why Jerusalem was called bandit territory.

Defending your people from raids on their caravans doesn't make one a "warlord".

Shad · Mar 27, 2019

Shadow Wolf said:
Well, you know....don't you? I mean.....you....you have spread your gay around, right? Everyone knows that trans gets spread around just like the gay does.

Spreads best with a butter knife.

columbus · Mar 27, 2019

9-18-1 said:
Right; first I am not associating gender dysphoria as *the* cause of a collapsing humanity. It is an indicator - a symptom that points back to a much greater problem that is not outside the scope of the points you mentioned.

This wasn't at all clear from your OP.
That said, I still see it as just the opposite. Queers insisting on self determination, and getting support from the rest of the "straight but not narrow" types, is a big improvement to the world. I do see the Human Race facing some existential crisises. Primitive religions like Christianity and Islam tend to do more damage than good, because population control and environmental damage just aren't covered by the ethics and morality. Why bother with birth control or deforestation or climate change if the Second Coming is about to happen anyways?

But I don't see any big conspiracy or anything. No intelligent design, just an emergent property of humans following their instincts and the primitive ethics of the ancient people who concocted the Scriptures.
Tom

Shad · Mar 27, 2019

sooda said:
He didn't sell women as sex slaves.. Every war widow had to have a family to survive in Arabia. You're awfully young and don't know much about Muslims or Islam or history.

Barbary Pirates.....

9-18-1 · Mar 27, 2019

Saint Frankenstein said:
It shows. *clicks ignore*

I am so offended!

QuestioningMind said:
I'm not threatened by anything - I'm more worried about others, particularly women.

That's a joke, right? You're predicting the collapse of humanity.... but you're not threatened by it.

If nothing else you are CLEARLY threatened by the questions I've asked, because you are STILL avoiding them.

Why this obsession with pigeonholing everyone into narrow categories based upon your irrational fears? Why does what feels normal and natural to you have to feel normal and natural to everyone else as well? You definitely sound like someone who feels threatened and insecure.

Lol no - I am not predicting anything. I didn't say "I predict..." anywhere did I? Collapsing humanity does not mean predicting it will collapse. Can a structure not slowly lose integrity over time without completely becoming destroyed? Yes - so no, I am not "predicting" anything - the state of humanity is collapsing ie. in a state of 'decay' rather than 'growth'. I am not threatened by actually anything - I understand death, accept it, and am not afraid of anything. Except snowflakes - they are volatile.

Now with regards to your last point, which is interesting because what you are describing is not something I am consciously intending to do. Of course the question is how one means - I actually don't intend to offend people, but at the same time I do not pay particular regard for being "respectful" towards certain worldviews because, quite frankly, some are simply... That doesn't mean be mean about it - I know - but I find the biggest problem is people are conditioned to be overly "politically correct" and/or regarding of others' feelings. This, in combination with, well, what you apparently see/describe, might appear to be a bad combination that yields a lot of upset people.

But I don't mind if people are upset - I'd rather them upset and thinking for themselves and not just "believing" whatever they were told, like god writes books or picks prophets. I'm sorry I do not "play long" nicely with such "believers" because belief itself is not a virtue, especially given the Torah/Qur'an are absolutely man-made thus responsible for thousands of years of human slavery/destruction.

Perhaps you might understand my nature better if you did see what I see with the same resolve (certainty) that the M/E conflict has become global and it *is* rooted in Judaism/Islam - the root of fascism, socialism, and essentially human slavery.

Liu said:
I already had gender disporia long before I had any idea that there are cultures in which women are treated like in Islam. (yeah, I grew up fairly sheltered).

Of course gender disporia becomes more obvious if the culture makes a large difference between the sexes - I could behave like a guy for the most part anyway, and while that lead to people wondering why I got sad by them gifting me Barbie dolls when I was like 6 (I felt so misunderstood that I started crying) and classmates shaming me for e.g. not shaving my legs in middle school/high school, I wouldn't have come to the conclusion of being transgender (many years later) if I hadn't had disporia regarding my body's sexual characteristics.

Sure there was some shaming - but not about women behaving like women but about me not behaving like one. And that I didn't behave like one was not because of them being shamed for anything but for not identifying with their behaviors to such a degree that even getting shamed for refusing to act like that didn't convince me (but I was made fun of by other children for pretty much anything since kindergarden, so I was used to that and didn't associate it with gender that much at that point).

Thank you for sharing - it is revealing of there being a latent and lingering imposed sort of "you ought to behave like..." rooted in the social fabric as established by norms. I understand how/why this is the case, and do feel people are better to question such social inheritances and, at the very least, try to understand the phenomena better. Unfortunately from my view I see this whole epidemic as (if not orchestrated) perpetuated by interest groups who have "special" interests.

I feel this related to why so many thus far took exception to the OP (which is fine with me - I think it is good people are at least discussing it) reading it as pushing some hetero-centric anti-trans piece. I actually don't take any issue whatsoever with people who naturally follow what they feel is 'right' - I would do the same.

The only *real* point of the OP is to clarify the most fundamental framework upon which creation is sustained: relationships involving a will to bestow and a will to receive. It is just that people are exclusively associating the bestowal to the man and reception to the woman. Yes - men have a phallus, women have a vagina, and they are designed for one another. The sexual act itself is this principle shared between two beings - the gender/sex actually does not matter.

In fact, once again, I would actually defend the right of anyone to their sex - especially what they do in the bedroom - as a basic fundamental human right that must not be infrigned upon or persecuted: I use the example of homosexuality/lesbianism. This is why I feel school, church, government and, and ANNDDD *RELIGION* needs to leave people alone and respect their individual sovereignty over their sexuality. If two or more beings all share a will that manifests their desire (granted it is not a wicked act), there is nothing more beautiful than this.

Of all the things that could occupy ones time - why would one even be remotely interested about what others do in the bedroom with who? Like, who cares? God? Lol... this is one of the many points I add to the mountain of how/why religion is absolutely destructive (especially when it comes to sex) and wholly based in people caring too much about the who/what/where/why/when/how of *other* people's sexuality. Why do Muslims throw gay people off of rooftops? Like, why not just leave them alone? After all, more gay men means more women???

If I were a Muslim man I'd happily tell all men to go f*** themselves (practically) with great sincerity and glad tidings. It would get one much closer to the 72 virgins fantasy it seems to me.

sooda · Mar 27, 2019

Shad said:
Barbary Pirates.....

They were called Barbary Pirates because their home ports were along the coast of North Africa. Many weren't Muslims but renegade Europeans..

Letter of Marque authorized a person, known as a privateer or corsair, to attack and capture enemy vessels of countries that were at war with the issuer. When that was rescinded many became pirates.

Shad · Mar 27, 2019

sooda said:
They were called Barbary Pirates because their home ports were along the coast of North Africa. Many weren't Muslims but renegade Europeans.

Read the Treaty of Tripoli and it's background. The most famous were a Muslim majority

Letter of Marque authorized a person, known as a privateer or corsair, to attack and capture enemy vessels of countries that were at war with the issuer. When that was rescinded many became pirates.

European concept not Muslim. You are still missing the point. The Barbary states used religion to establish it's right to take slaves at will. Something about history you were babbling about.

Gender Dysphoria: Collapsing Humanity

Certified People sTabber

Certified People sTabber

Active Member

Veteran Member

Active Member

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

"Truth" isn't a thing...

Active Member

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah

Gone

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Active Member

Veteran Member

Veteran Member

yawn <ignore> yawn

Veteran Member

Active Member

Veteran Member

Veteran Member